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Subject: GISList: Re: Datasets vs. secrets
Date:  06/14/2002 02:06:37 AM
From:  viktoras d



Peter,

Thanks for the dataset link and valuable information.

Does anybody know what is the security related situation in other European
countries (Finland, Sweden, Germany, etc...). Although I live in Lithuania I
am working for a Finish company now. We are going to put some high
resolution bathymetric and underwater habitat maps from the Baltic Sea
produced by our "inteligent" GIS based modeling system on-line. Is it alowed
in Finland and other countries surrounding the Baltic sea ? Or are we
commiting a crime :) ?

Viktoras

>From: "Peter Shary" <peter_shary@hotmail.com>
>To: firekv@hotmail.com
>CC: gislist@geocomm.com
>Subject: Re: Datasets vs. secrets
>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:58:02 +0400
>
>Viktoras,
>
>I have prepared a new web page with 66 links on datasets
>for various countries available at
>http://members.fortunecity.com/eco4/giseco/id8.html
>and, although I'm agree with you, here are some additions.
>
>The "security paranoya" was and is still in Russia, but
>not only in this country. News on security from USA is that
>new global high-resolution DEMs (1 and 3 arc seconds, i.e.,
>about 30 and 90 meters resolution) of Shuttle Radar Topography
>Mission (SRTM, USA-Germany-Italy) for 80% of Earth
>is now being considered by NASA for 30-m resolution
>as restricted because of security. Examples from NASA:
>
>"It is intended that SRTM data be unclassified: however
>raw radar data, full-resolution terrain height data (ie.
>Level-2 data sets) or strip DEM with 30 meter spatial
>resolution for areas outside the United States will be
>under the control of the Department of Defense. Release
>of these data will be in accordance with guidelines mutually
>developed by NIMA and NASA".
>(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/mou.html)
>
>"Ultimately, the final released SRTM Digital Elevation
>Models will be at 30 meters for the United States and at
>90 meters for the rest of the world, although NASA and
>NIMA are still discussing these issues".
>(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/dataprod.htm)
>
>Resembles the situation in Russia...
>
>Peter Shary,
>Scientific worker and GIS developer,
>Russian Federation
>
>----- original message -----
>From : "viktoras d" <firekv@hotmail.com>
>To : ajq3@spatialnetworks.com, gislist@geocomm.com
>Subject : Re: GISList: the sky is NOT falling....
>Date : Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:24:47 +0300
>
>You know, while reading your letter I remembered the Soviet times in my
>country. The "security paranoya" was so strong that all major towns and
>cities were removed from their real positions in all maps issued inside the
>territory of the USSR in these times. Any Bathymetric maps was a top secret
>of the state, etc... Weird things are happening these days too. I do not
>like these tendentions at all :(
>
>From: "Anthony Quartararo" <ajq3@spatialnetworks.com>
>Reply-To: <ajq3@spatialnetworks.com>
>To: <gislist@geocomm.com>
>Subject: GISList: the sky is NOT falling....
>Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:23:48 -0400
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>
>I've just finished reading the latest EOM hardcopy issue (their online is a
>few months behind). I noted with some initial interest the "Industry
>Insider" article about security and offshore data conversion.
>It would seem, that the author's contention that utilities and
>telecommunications
>networks are in imminent danger by would-be saboteurs.
>
>Further, the author recommends incredible ove

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