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| Subject: | RE: GISList: SOFTWARE: Manifold 5.x vs. ArcGIS 8.x |
| Date: |
01/29/2003 12:48:11 PM |
| From: |
PSTERLING |
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Sorry if you don't think my message is a valid post, but from what I have b=
een reading, there are plenty of listers who are sick of the Rotow-Manifold=
tirade. Not all of us have a product to push and I think Mr. Rotow's manif=
old commercialization of this list deserves to be ridiculed and condemned f=
or what it is.
Looks like spam, sounds like spam, ... even smells like spam
I think it's spam
Paulster
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Letham (GeoCommunity) [mailto:editor@geocomm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:35 AM
To: gislist@geocomm.com
Subject: Re: GISList: SOFTWARE: Manifold 5.x vs. ArcGIS 8.x
your 2 cents worth I guess, however, in my opinion this is the kind of
message that would be best directed directly to a recipient and not to the
list.
I fail to see anything truly constructive in it and will likely only result
in more bickering, something we really don't need more of do we?
cheers
Glenn
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----- Original Message -----
From: "PSTERLING" <PSTERLING@quinault.org>
To: <dar@manifold.net>: <gislist@geocomm.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: GISList: SOFTWARE: Manifold 5.x vs. ArcGIS 8.x
Hello, listers!
I thought Friday was flame day, but, why not get started early this week?
So now Dimitri is also proclaiming to be an expert on the price of toilet
seats. Sounds like dangerous territory to enter in this list, but probably
as productive as the manifold bickering I've seen in the last week or two!
{Ok, I admit I went beyond the "10% moron-limit" on Dimitri's posts but
today seems like a day for morons to prevail :o}
And, JS, if you get what you pay for, what are we all doing in this free
list?
Two cents is still two cents, and that's mine.
Paulster
"This is just my observation and if I am wrong, please do not stick my head
in the boiler-room."
Leonie Meiring, Geographer & GIS Co-ordinator
-----Original Message-----
From: Dimitri Rotow [mailto:dar@manifold.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:10 AM
To: gislist@geocomm.com
Subject: RE: GISList: SOFTWARE: Manifold 5.x vs. ArcGIS 8.x
> cannot be taken from the perspective as a truly
> =11experienced=12 GIS user. I know the individual who
> posted this, working in Southern Ontario and he
> graduated from GIS College only in 2001.
>
> Not taking away anything from his post=05 I just don=12t
> want people thinking this is a senior member of a GIS
> team making corporate wide decisions. However, I=12m
> sure it will be argued that experience on the ground
> floor of GIS does count as well.
>
> In my opinion, you get what you pay for. That=12s my
> two cents.
> JS
You would get more credibiilty for your two cents if you addressed the
substance of his post instead of engaging in character assassination.
I realize that there are flamers on this list who attack individuals instead
of disagreeing cogently with what they write. Your post is a good example
of this... "not taking away anything from his post"... what utter,
hypocritical nonsense. What is your point if not to "take away" from his
post by denigrating his level of experience?
This particular individual may have graduated recently, but nonetheless has
an immense amount of technical skill far and away above the "ground floor of
GIS" and great familiarity with the most recent editions of flagship
products from ESRI, AutoDesk and Manifold. Every truly experienced GIS
person reading this list understands it is a far from trivial matter to
learn how to operate in detail any one of these products, let alone to
achieve a working mastery of three of them.
Now, if you personally have configured sophisticated web sites and have done
other high-end work with the very latest products from these vendors,
perhaps you could contribute some specific comments regarding the plusses
and minuses of the three, or to point out where you disagree with the post
in question. Such factual input is always a great help to senior members of
GIS teams who are called upon to make corporate-wide decisions.
If, on the other hand, you do not have personal experience of ArcInfo 8.1,
AutoCAD Map and Manifold 5, why don't you admit that the poster, despite his
youth, has important and timely GIS experience you do not have and refrain
from trying to prevent his experience from helping the GIS community at
large?
By the way, the saying "you get what you pay for" is rar
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