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| Subject: | Re: GISList: Manifold 5.x vs. ArcGIS 8.x |
| Date: |
01/31/2003 10:45:29 AM |
| From: |
J Bee |
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Jamie,
I totally agree with you Jamie, and I thank you for
your willingness to speak up. I belive your email
spurred Bill Huber to write his posting which helped
to expose the false hold that the Manifold's post
(comparing ArcInfo with Manifold) contained.
Following your intial response to the Manifold post,
however, Dimitri responded to you, accusing you of
"character assisination". But yet in this case, oh
no, Dimitiri wasn't "flaming" you. After Bill's
posting though, we see that your disclosure was
actually very productive. Again I thank you for that.
I - and everyone else - knows that this list is an
excellent resource for solving many GIS questions.
However, it is also important to remind folks that
that freedom is speech is the reason we have such a
resource. When Dimnitri snakes in wth constant sales
references to his software, as if the world would not
survive without out it, people are going to call him
out and vent their frustrations. Cry babies can call
it "flaming" and filter people out, but doesn't that
just lead to an "I only want to hear what I only want
to hear" attitude? While many of us may not be able
to use big, obscure words from the English dictionary
like Dimitri and Bill use, our voices will still not
be squashed.
Huber, towards the end of his posting stated how he is
filtering out people who have sent recent posts which
called out Dimitri. Yet he states further that, he
loves Dimitri's ramblings (with an included smiley
face), and won't filter him out. So, you can use the
list to heap praise on folks like Dimitri, but ya
can't send a post that disagrees? That's bull.
If you want to filter people on this list, or drop off
the list, just do it. Otherwise, it seems the list
should promote the general exchange of all views -
even those of people who are sick of reading blatant
marketing spiels. I have never seen a rep from ESRI,
Caliper, Golden Software, etc., get on this list and
contantly refer people to their product. Yet Dimitri
acts like his software was sent from heaven, and we
are all fools for not using it. BULL!
Anyway, I feel better now....
God bless America, and god bless GIS-
Bob (The Accused Flamer)
--- Jamie Snow <jamieb_snow@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Bill's post below is exactly what I was taking from
> the 'comparison' on Manifold's marketing site. I do
> know the person who wrote the original comparison,
> so
> that is what prompted my post. It was not a flame
> on
> the person himself ... just a question of his
> ability
> to adequately compare many GIS applications, with
> his
> few years experience. Although anyone can compare
> software, I thought that if a company is using this
> comparison as a marketing blurb, it should be from a
> more experienced user.
>
> Dmitri's statement of "Every truly experienced GIS
> person reading this list understands it is a far
> from
> trivial matter to learn how to operate in detail any
> one of these products, let alone to achieve a
> working
> mastery of three of them". I couldn't agree more.
> That is why I was questioning how much weight a
> comparison of products would carry from someone with
> less than a few years industry experience.
>
> Then again, I guess I'm also questioning a company
> who
> would use this as a principal marketing piece.
>
> I too am sick of hearing from this unnamed company
> who
> continues to use this list as their primary
> marketing
> source.
>
> And to use, IMHO, a poor comparison, written by a
> relative new comer to the industry as one of their
> main sources of competitive marketing tells me more
> and more about the company itself.
>
> Flame away…
>
> Jamie
>
> --- Quantitative Decisions <whuber@quantdec.com>
> wrote: > At 08:10 AM 1/29/2003 -0800, Dimitri Rotow
> wrote:
> > >You would get more credibiilty for your two cents
> > if you addressed the
> > >substance of his post instead of engaging in
> > character assassination.
> > >...
> > >This particular individual may have graduated
> > recently, but nonetheless has
> > >an immense amount of technical skill far and away
> > above the "ground floor of
> > >GIS" and great familiarity with the most recent
> > editions of flagship
> > >products from ESRI, AutoDesk and Manifold.
> >
> > There was a point to be made here. In GIS, there
> is
> > practically no such
> > thing as an "objective" review. How we evaluate
> > software depends strongly
> > on what we like to do with it and on our skills
> with
> > it. Your reviewer was
> > clear about that. T
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