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| Subject: | Re: GISList: Interior e-gov tack irks GIS vendors |
| Date: |
04/20/2003 11:15:00 PM |
| From: |
Paul Ramsey |
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Amen, let the revolution begin. :)
On Sunday, April 20, 2003, at 07:53 AM, Michael Gould Carlson wrote:
> This message might bounce from the geocomm list (as I am on another
> mail
> account): please forward if it does not appear. Thanks. (Also, I will
> be off-
> line for the next few days...)
>
> Paul,
>
> We are in absolute agreement that the hard part is not the technology,
> rather
> the organisational or political part of an SDI.
>
> But since we are, generally speaking, tecnologists... :-) true,
> current WMS
> does not support analysis, wasn't supposed to. It is essentially a
> visualization engine for data which exist, and which one can locate via
> catalog services. Other specs such WebCoverage and Web Terrain Service
> allow
> some extra functionality...but the object is not to create a full
> blown GIS:
> not for now at least. The object is to serve the 80% of users who
> mainly want
> to find and visualize. once you've done that, and you see that the
> data is of
> value to you, then you connect somewhere and download gads of data for
> your
> desktop GIS, or, some day, also process it on-line via web services.
>
> Back to your comment: yes, it all blows up if public sector (mainly)
> data
> providers do not facilitate the base data and collaboration. And yes,
> that is
> not a technical problem. But we (our SDI group, and many other
> researchers)
> have been trying a simple experiment: put a running demo on the
> politician's
> doorstep, ring the doorbell, and run.
>
> Some will pay no attention, some will not know what it is, but then
> some will
> say, hey, this stuff is cool, and it works...when I search for my
> parish data
> appear. The, secondarily, they (sometimes) contact us and ask what can
> they do
> to make this small demo grow to be the real thing!!
>
> This experiment can be done with a single vendor solution, or with an
> open
> architecture showing how multi vendors can contribute various pieces
> to the
> puzzle. We prefer the latter, and the idea seems to be catching on.
> Sure,
> certain vendors are not going to like being only a minor player in the
> puzzle,
> but the idea that if the market gets fed up then they might be out in
> the
> cold, is something to consider.
>
> great discussion: hopefully after the Easter hlidays more people will
> pipe in.
>
> cheers,
> Mike Gould
>
>
> ------
>
> Delivered-To: gould@lsi.uji.es
> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:22:03 -0700
> From: Paul Ramsey <pramsey@refractions.net>
> Subject: Re: GISList: Interior e-gov tack irks GIS vendors (Geospatial
> One-
> Stop
> initiative)
> To: Michael Gould <gould@lsi.uji.es>
> Cc: gislist@geocomm.com
> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552)
>
>
>> Arrrrrrrrgh! You don't open the data (or your source code), you open
> the INTERFACES!!!!
>
>
> That's exactly what I said. All I questioned was the uniform orthodoxy
> that the end result of all this talk about open interfaces was actually
> going to improve the overall ability of people to work with integrated
> data. A cascaded WMS service (might) look pretty, but you cannot
> answer many (any) analytical questions with it. If organizations
> remain unwilling to provide access to actual data, it is irrelevant
> whether they fail to provide access via WFS or fail to provide access
> via an FTP site full of SDTS files. My point is that the technology is
> not the hard part, yet it receives for more attention than the actual
> problem, which is organizational intransigence. In some cases, it is
> being substituted for solving the actual organizational problem ("aha,
> we can 'publish' our data via WMS and then people can look at it
> without actually touching it"). Is a half measure better than no
> measure? It depends on whether the half-measure is relieving the
> pressure to solve the whole problem.
>
>
> Do you see?
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
Paul Ramsey
Refractions Research
Email: pramsey@refractions.net
Phone: (250) 885-0632
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