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| Subject: | RE: GISList: Re: Effective Standards |
| Date: |
04/29/2003 05:30:01 PM |
| From: |
Kevin Murphy |
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Dimitri,
I just want to recap...
Microsoft made XML real ....
I would ask you to define real for me...
real popular ....I can see that...maybe
As far as the other stuff...ok ok uncle. We believe you...ok ??
You believe that only "real" programmers work with Microsoft products
and only "real" people who use Microsoft products are " real" users
and only
people who use Microsoft make a "real" market.
Please, enough preaching.....
There are plenty of people who have come before me who never used
Microsoft.
I dont consider them any less talented or any less " real". We have an
advantage
right now, that many users and many programmers use tools from
Microsoft.
Why dont we focus on GIS...and not Microsoft/Open Source.
on a side note...
lets not forget that Microsoft also invented the internet
along with our friend Mr Gore...and I think it was
Microsoft who also invented the air we breathe...
or was that Gene Simmons of Kiss....
lol
I am just trying to keep things
a bit on the humorous side..
I hope no one gets bent...
K.Murphy
>>> "Dimitri Rotow" <dar@manifold.net> 04/29/03 05:25PM >>>
> Interesting point, per usual. And an interesting example. In the
recent
> era, it might be argued that standards which are accompanied by an
open
> source reference implementation take off extremely quickly. Where
would
> XML be without the early availability of Expat?
>>Exactly where it is today. I have never heard of "Expat" but I have
heard
>>of Microsoft. XML became real when Microsoft made available a
Microsoft XML
>>parser to the hundreds of thousands of developers who work with
Microsoft
>>tools. Having a usable XML within Microsoft's standard development
>>environment is what allows Windows applications, which have a real
impact on
>>whether something is a "standard" or not, to support it within mass
markets.
> Where would MP3 be
> without the ISO reference source code? Provide an open source
>>Likewise, an irrelevant thing that had no effect on MP3 being adopted
by the
>>masses. MP3 was made real by WinAmp and a proprietary codec. To the
best
>>of my knowledge, not one of the mass-market tools that made MP3 real
used
>>any "ISO reference source code."
> programmatic interface to the standard capabilities you want to
provide
> and you are off to the races. I don't care about the Java RMI wire
> protocol language, because I can just call RMI functions. I don't
care
> about the Oracle SQL*Net protocol because I can just call C
functions.
> If OpenGIS wrote a binary client/server specification that included
a
> BSD-licensed reference implementation library it would be
immediately
> (a) useful and (b) used.
>>Used? Not likely, considering that most GIS is not done on UNIX -
it's done
>>on Windows. Writing an implementation for BSD or other UNIX flavors
is
>>simply consigning the would-be standard to irrelevancy. Those
vendors who
>>do real volume and want to have something that most users want to buy
will
>>write exclusively for Windows.
> All this hooey about XML/GML being "human
> readable" is irrelevant in the presence of a useable (and
implemented)
> API.
>>Well, I agree with you that "hooey" and "XML/GML" should appear
together,
>>but would point out that the "human readable" bit about XML/GML is
the kiss
>>of death from a performance perspective. That OGC types like to talk
about
>>the "human readable" bit is evidence of their technological naivete,
an
>>example of one of the many poor technical choices from OGC that
prevent it
>>from being widely adopted as a "standard." But, there's already been
a
>>thread on this list to that effect so I would refer interested
parties to
>>the archives for that debate.
>>Regards to all,
>>Dimitri
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