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| Subject: | Re: GISList: Automatic data recording |
| Date: |
07/02/2003 10:55:01 AM |
| From: |
Carl Reed |
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For those of you who do not think LINUX can handle prime time, super high
transaction web implementations:
WAGNER'S WEBLOG
Online travel agency Orbitz is more committed than ever to Linux,
using more than 750 Linux on Intel Compaq servers to power its Web
site. Cost-cutting was a primary motivation for switching from Sun to
Linux. The company handles support in-house, and goes to the Linux
community for answers to problems it can't solve itself.
http://update.internetweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/eMge0B1IwH0V30B3LL0AD
Cheers
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: Dimitri Rotow <dar@manifold.net>
To: <gislist@geocomm.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 11:33 PM
Subject: RE: GISList: Automatic data recording
>
> I don't mean to jump into a hornet's nest (ah... well, why not...) but it
is
> very important to debate the assumptions people have behind holy cows, be
> they received wisdom regarding php or asp. The main issue, to me, is not
> whether you or I would like to use php or asp for our personal programming
> but rather which is the best match to the business situation surrounding
any
> given customer requirement. I don't know about you, but after over 30
> years of programming I don't really care which language or environment I
use
> anymore so much as what I do with it. They all have plusses and minuses.
But
> unfortunately for our personal sense of taste, the unrelenting
particularity
> of profit and loss does not give many organizations or individuals the
> ability to ignore the cold economics of a given situation, and the cold
> economics tend to strongly favor Microsoft for most commercial or
> organizational users. That is why an old UNIX guy like me finds the very
> rich ecological niche of Microsoft so compelling.
>
> > Take a look at
> > http://www.perlmonth.com/perlmonth/issue4/benchmarks.html
> > If you don't like those benchmarks, maybe you can show us yours.
> >
>
> More accurately, Microsoft's. Google the Microsoft site and you'll find
> plenty of information on .asp performance.
>
> > This is a non-sequitor. The number of different reported flaws has
> > nothing to do with the number of instances running.
> >
>
> ??? I don't understand why you would write that. It has a lot to do with
> the number of instances running and with the number of people (hundreds of
> millions, if not over a billion) using it. Quite obviously, no one
notices
> defects in things that go unused, and no one bothers to attack things that
> are not used. Those things that are widely used, it seems to me, would get
> much more attention.
>
> > Go to www.netcraft.com - type in the website of your choice. I picked
> > these. I think I've mentioned before that you guys use Apache on Unix
> > for your front page. Now I notice that you also use PHP. Good stuff, eh?
>
> Well, that would be a good argument if the Manifold pages were not so
> utterly trivial and simplistic (in their webstuff structure if not their
> content). You don't need an elaborate, dynamically-served page to
deliver
> worthwhile content, no more than authors for thousands of years have
needed
> more than pen and ink and paper to write immortal text.
>
> The main Manifold pages are all painfully banal http and use neither PHP
nor
> ASP, nor do they involve commerce or any security issues. They're just
> plain, old web pages with text and images in them. On the other hand,
take
> a look at any of our Internet Map Server sites and you'll note they are
all
> .asp. Why? Because it is a cost effective way to proceed without having
to
> think much about programming except to consider pretty much the same
> Microsoft-isms that permeate our commercial work. Obviously, the people
who
> created Manifold know a lot about programming but that doesn't mean that
> they wish to create something that requires a lot of programming from
> customers who would rather not be writing code.
>
> >
> > www.manifold.net - Apache Unix PHP 4.3.0
> > www.ibm.com - Apache Unix.
> > www.whitehouse.gov - Apache Linux
> > www.fidelity.com - Netscape-Enterprise Solaris
> > www.citibank.com - Solaris
> > www.direct.com - Apache Unix (my credit union)
> >
>
> I trust you are not making a case based on statistics (since no doubt you
> know perfectly well a self-selected sample of six web pages proves nothing
> about an Internet universe of millions of sites). Survey the web at
large,
> say, a few million sites and compare those on which real commerce is done.
> Microsoft has some good papers on these, which you can find by Googling
the
> Microsoft site.
>
>
> > > their shoes pre-made. Not
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