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| Subject: | RE: GISList: Cartography and Data Viewer |
| Date: |
08/26/2003 11:40:01 AM |
| From: |
Sonny Parafina |
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Kevin,
Perhaps you should post your picture on www.amihot.com site. Then we can
decide how we want our data. Thanks for being a good sport.
Cheers,
sonny
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Murphy [mailto:KMURPHY@mbakercorp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:06 AM
To: gislist@geocomm.com: sonny@ionicenterprise.com
Subject: RE: GISList: Cartography and Data Viewer
I take great offense at my name being used in such a way....
((just kidding and trying to keep things lite))
-Kevin
Kevin J Murphy, PE,LS
Michael Baker Jr Inc
301 College Road East
Princeton, NJ, 08540
phone...609-734-7927
fax........609-734-7950
email: kmurphy@mbakercorp.com
>>> "Sonny Parafina" <sonny@ionicenterprise.com> 8/26/2003 11:48:02 AM
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responses in-line
-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Waggaman [mailto:waggaman@marimsys.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:12 AM
To: Sonny Parafina: dar@manifold.net: gislist@geocomm.com
Subject: RE: GISList: Cartography and Data Viewer
[snip] When the law
>Sonny, the religious wars brought about through the introduction of
new
>formats are fun for those of us who have a pretty good view of how
GIS,
>databases and the Internet work today. Your argument expressed below
>abandons fact and knowledge: it relies upon the divinely drawn vision
of
>the "next reality", unrestrained by "reality checks", which its
priests are
>free to elaborate on their own terms.
First, this isn't a religous war, its a different technology. Second,
this
isn't the "next reality", its another technology. Third, although I
have
been ordained online, I am not a priest. Here are some personal
anectdotal
experiences that "reality checks" would have put a wet blanket on.
1. 30 years ago an overseas phone call from relatives was an expensive
event
that we waited up for and enjoyed vicariously through my parents.
Today, I
make daily conference calls to Europe for 6 cents a minute over a Voice
over
IP router, which is much cheaper than calling friends that live 90
miles
away using a landline.
2. 15 years ago I would back up my imagery and analysis to 9-track
because
there wasn't enough hard disk space to go around in the university lab.
I
also used to get yelled at because I would transfer gigs of data across
the
university network. Today, I keep gigs and gigs of imagery on spinning
disk
and I don't even do image analysis any more. I keep them around
because
they are pretty pictures. I transfer gigs of data across the internet
all
the time today.
3. 10 years ago I would telnet into a server from home to check
processes
and maybe run a script over my then "oh so speedy" 2800 baud modem.
Today,
I can control very large relational databases, several time zones
away,
graphically via VNC on a PDA at my local sandwich shop through a free
wireless 5 megabit link. And I get free refills on my ice tea.
I'm sure that we all have similar recollections of "next reality"
moments.
>For us feet in the mud GIS types, Dimitri's argument is unshakeable:
if
>only because it aligns with the (one and only) Universal Constant -
>Murphy's Law. When you need data over the Internet:
>
>1) 9/11 will have caused it to be removed from the Internet,
>2) Your network admin will tell you, "sorry, port 21 is closed
today,
>you know - that new virus"
>3) The data server will be off-line.
I've been told many times in oh so many ways, "Paper doesn't need to
reboot." By this logic we should all be experts in making maps with
scribe
coat, extremely handy with our Leroi lettering sets, accurately making
measurements with planimeters, estimating with dot grids, and
performing
calculations with slide rules. Also Jack Dangermond would have a lot
less
alcolades and frequent flier miles.
No one advocates that all data will be online all the time for free.
If
anyone believes that, I have a whole lot of duct tape and plastic
sheeting
for sale. If you need to have information or any other service such
as
internet, cable, or electricity on a 24/7 basis there are companies
that
will provide service level agreements that guarantee that level of
service.
Or your money back, but make sure to read the fine print because they
usually have a clause about natural disasters or war.
>We run an advanced information society because we have the data "tools
at
>hand". The easiest way to break that society back to the stone age is
to
>make those tools hard or impossible to get. Let the competition rely
on
>insecure data inputs, for your own use I recommend - download the data
when
>you have the chance, and let it sit on some slightly used HDD / DVD /
>Tape. It'll - probably - be there when you need it.
I completely agree with you about making tools hard or impossible t
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