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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] Do GIS Professionals Have A "Professional Association?" |
| Date: |
01/08/2004 12:25:00 PM |
| From: |
Bill Medina |
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I don't...just the short ones as yours...
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.thinkburst.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.thinkburst.com]On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:17 PM
To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] Do GIS Professionals Have A "Professional
Association?"
How do you have time to read them? Lolololol
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Bill Medina
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:39 AM
To: Anthony Quartararo: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] Do GIS Professionals Have A "Professional
Association?"
How do you guys have so much time to deliberate on these issues?
Bill,
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.thinkburst.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.thinkburst.com]On Behalf Of Anthony Quartararo
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:14 AM
To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] Do GIS Professionals Have A "Professional
Association?"
Exactly. All the more reasons we do not need GISC.
"Certification provides "proof" on paper that you have met certain
standards. The points system that URISA employs to determine your
eligibility is a valid tool - similar to marks in school. "
And we all know how the US school systems are failing miserably, so I am not
sure getting good marks in this context is a valid measurement. There's a
high probability that 50%+ of College/Pro athletes got sufficiently
acceptable marks in school to graduate, but who's kidding who ? :-)
"Grandfathering merely expedites the process for those who have been doing
GIS work for eons with no formal recognition."
So, even if someone does work and skates by for eons, and is grandfathered
in, that person is given the same recognition on paper as someone who may be
universally regarding as the best in the industry, simply because they were
around when ArcInfo v1.0 came out ? That's a double smack in the face: first
it's bad for the industry because it is anti-Darwinian, and two, it dilutes
the value of the Certification to those who may truly be "worthy".
" There really is no other way, outside of an unwieldy and potentially
unfair examination process. Unfair for the reasons many have discussed - GIS
is just too large and disparate. "
This is a circular argument. As if, we want some universally acceptable
standard of measurement of professionalism and technical competence in our
industry, but the truly meaningful way to do it is just too hard [unfair ?
], because our industry is just to large and diverse, so let's settle for
something that gets people stirred up, but will have no long-lasting
positive impacts on the industry as a whole. If our industry is so large
and disparate, doesn't that beg the question of the credibility of a
Certification in the first place ? How granular can you get? To be truly
meaningful, wouldn't we have to have a GIS Certificate issued for someone
that was not grandfathered, has an undergraduate or equivalent degree, 3
years working experience in the field of mobile mapping using handheld GPS
receivers with an accuracy of 3-5m in remote, non-urban environments during
all seasonal conditions, capable of executing said GIS techniques
internationally, who can also configure mobile communications equipment in a
wireless environment, has achieved 30 "credits" toward another granular
Certification in the hopes of edging out the next person for $1 more hour
for a full-time temporary position on a project that has not yet been fully
funded, but will probably happen next fiscal year....
I'll see your two cents and raise you a nickel....
Regards,
Anthony
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