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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] Do GIS Professionals Have A "Professional Association?" |
| Date: |
01/08/2004 12:50:01 PM |
| From: |
Bill Medina |
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I want to take the time to explain a little more about my point of view. I
understand that some issues are so important like the GIS certification and
acceptance that it is, in fact a "new" born profession, or should I consider
it as having received a boost with the advance in computers and digital
data. I am not against the efforts toward making it a respected and most of
all recognized profession because of the strong incidence that it has today
and is acquiring day to day. I think that it takes more that be able to
create a few layers or a georeference file to consider some one as GIS
professional.
I have seen in this list server that along the excellent news, advises and
help to each other there are some emails take so long and become so
repetitive that simply just filled up my incoming mails get into the
philosophical area. Some other times personal interest prevails on the need
to grow as professional group dedicated to work in an area with some much
responsibilities and incidence in all sciences.
Please apologize me if I have offended anyone in any way, this is not my
interest but rather to provide assistance and count with the support when it
is needed. I have read so much in so many opportunities about GIS
Associations that show more individual interests rather than, as I
mentioned, group interests. I am not GIS professional, I know how to use
some of its advantages and it has been a great tool in my profession, but
looking at all the time you guys have to extend in complicate philosophical
deliberations makes me thinks that maybe there is not that much amount of
work in this area at all or that you can handle it better than I do, which
is fairly easy to do. Thanks to all of you who have given a hand in times of
need to anyone, I believe that is the goal of this discussion group.
Bill,
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.thinkburst.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.thinkburst.com]On Behalf Of Michael Gould
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:50 AM
To: Bill Medina: Anthony Quartararo: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] Do GIS Professionals Have A "Professional
Association?"
we work hard over the weekend. :-)
At 17:38 08/01/2004, Bill Medina wrote:
>How do you guys have so much time to deliberate on these issues?
>
>Bill,
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gislist-bounces@lists.thinkburst.com
>[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.thinkburst.com]On Behalf Of Anthony
Quartararo
>Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:14 AM
>To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
>Subject: RE: [gislist] Do GIS Professionals Have A "Professional
>Association?"
>
> Exactly. All the more reasons we do not need GISC.
>
>"Certification provides "proof" on paper that you have met certain
>standards. The points system that URISA employs to determine your
>eligibility is a valid tool - similar to marks in school. "
>
>And we all know how the US school systems are failing miserably, so I am
not
>sure getting good marks in this context is a valid measurement. There's a
>high probability that 50%+ of College/Pro athletes got sufficiently
>acceptable marks in school to graduate, but who's kidding who ? :-)
>
>"Grandfathering merely expedites the process for those who have been doing
>GIS work for eons with no formal recognition."
>
>So, even if someone does work and skates by for eons, and is grandfathered
>in, that person is given the same recognition on paper as someone who may
be
>universally regarding as the best in the industry, simply because they were
>around when ArcInfo v1.0 came out ? That's a double smack in the face:
first
>it's bad for the industry because it is anti-Darwinian, and two, it dilutes
>the value of the Certification to those who may truly be "worthy".
>
>" There really is no other way, outside of an unwieldy and potentially
>unfair examination process. Unfair for the reasons many have discussed -
GIS
>is just too large and disparate. "
>
>This is a circular argument. As if, we want some universally acceptable
>standard of measurement of professionalism and technical competence in our
>industry, but the truly meaningful way to do it is just too hard [unfair ?
>], because our industry is just to large and diverse, so let's settle for
>something that gets people stirred up, but will have no long-lasting
>positive impacts on the industry as a whole. If our industry is so large
>and disparate, doesn't that beg the question of the credibility of a
>Certification in the first place ? How granular can you get? To be truly
>meaningful, wouldn't we have to have a GIS Certificate issued for someone
>that was not grandfathered, has an undergraduate or equivalent degree, 3
>years working experience in the field of mobile mapping
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