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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] ArcGIS 9 - recommend postponing installation |
| Date: |
06/01/2004 01:10:01 PM |
| From: |
Ross, Gregory K. |
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Problem with this theory is that, almost universally, businesses (and city,
state, federal governments if they are being run efficiently), are NOT
INTERESTED CONTROL of their SOFTWARE, but in MAKING A PROFIT a profit or
getting the job done in the most efficient manner. Hence, don't reinvent the
wheel when somebody else has already invested the time, money, and energy to
create a product (Microsoft, Oracle, and ESRI come to mind) that performs
the tasks you wish it to perform at an acceptable cost. Start-ups make this
mistake much more often than need be................
Gregg Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Gould [mailto:gould@lsi.uji.es]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:57 PM
To: Anthony Quartararo: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] ArcGIS 9 - recommend postponing installation
At 18:38 01/06/2004, Anthony Quartararo wrote:
>Ok sure, I'll just phone up all my clients, and ask them to scrap their
>hundreds of thousands of dollars in infrastructure centered around ESRI
>technology, not to mention business processes, people and an untold
>number of partners, so I can have one less headache each day.
>Errrrrrr, survey says......try again.
try unplugging a piece at a time. migrate the data in parallel to Deegree
or Geoserver or MapGuide and then without telling anyone pull the plug on
the arcIMS. then the same with the visualization side (Jump etc.).....
your hardware is heterogeneous, now try the software... plug-n-play.
keeping all the eggs in one software basket leaves control in the hands of
the software vendor.
M Gould
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>From: J Bee [mailto:mapcmon@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:44 AM
>To: Anthony Quartararo: gislist@lists.geocomm.com
>Subject: Re: [gislist] ArcGIS 9 - recommend postponing installation
>
>
>"You would also think ESRI could come up with a method that would truly
>"upgrade" previous installations without having to completely uninstall
>the older version first [in the interest of saving a significant amount
>of time...]."
>
>On the flip side, you would also like to think thaqt users such as
>yourself would realize that there are far better alternatives, with
>more advanced technologies, easier to use, and much, much cheaper in
>cost. I am still bewildered as to why folks invest in ESRI, other than
>an excuse like "that's what everyone else seems to use"
>
>Well, before the next person jusmps off a cliff, consider Maptitude
>($495 which includes a geocoder) or TransCad (base TransCAD is $2,995
>and far exceed the power of Arc whateverer...). Heck, even at the risk
>of waking the dead, there's Manifold at something like $300 (which does
>not include a geocoder). Not to mention several other GIS packages.
>
>Comparing ESRI to Microsoft is a misnomer. Very few options for PC
>operating systems. Quite a few options for GIS software.
>
>I dunno, maybe folks just enjoy standing over a toilet, watching their
>money go down the drain...
>
>Bob
>
>
>Anthony Quartararo <ajq3@spatialnetworks.com> wrote:
>
>Dear Listers,
>
>Have had ArcGIS 9 (ArcInfo) installed for less than a week. After a
>rather circuitous path to getting it actually installed, and a quick
>call the ESRI tech support, I would have to say at this point that I
>would strongly recommend postponing installation or upgrading until
>ESRI cleans things up and re-issues the CDs. They have pulled a
>"Microsoft" on this one: the tech at ESRI confirmed a known issue with
>installation on a single license dongle [the license administrate does
>not record the machine name and so a secondary step of actually typing
>it in is required]. But, after having tried to work with a dataset that
>worked just fine under 8.x, it has crashed multiple times so far with
>9.x with a fairly major application error. I really am tired of paying
>a king's ransom for the privilege of advanced beta-testing. I will be
>uninstalling 9.x, and reinstalling 8.x to keep working. You would also
>think ESRI could come up with a method that would truly "upgrade"
>previous installations without having to completely uninstall the older
>version first [in the interest of saving a significant amount of time...].
>
>...not a happy camper..
>
>Anthony
>
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