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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] ArcGIS 9 - recommend postponing installation |
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06/01/2004 02:35:01 PM |
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Ross, Gregory K. |
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A look at the new thread started called "ArcGIS alternates?" would justify
my point. If I have to buy 4 or more different software products (none of
which are guaranteed to work on my systems or even work together) to
accomplish all my tasks, am I really saving money? Even if these other
products are reduced in price, the cost of buying different products and
their effect on the company's efficiency (minimal from the software side as
they all do THE SAME THING, but expensive from the support and learning cost
side) may not be cheaper than buying an all-in-one product. Also, the
all-in-one product may have features you don't need and don't want to pay
for now, but were is your business going in the future? Will you need it
then? Of course, this must all be reasonably applied on a case to case
basis. I agree, upgrades are not cost efficient, but neither is getting left
behind by your competition. If you can justify buying the lower price end
product, great. But following your argument, I may as well hire some
programmers, and have them write my own GIS software for my own use. Oh,
wait a minute, that is not cheaper to do than buying off the
shelf.......................
Gregg Ross
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From: Michael Gould [mailto:gould@lsi.uji.es]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:12 PM
To: Ross, Gregory K.
Subject: RE: [gislist] ArcGIS 9 - recommend postponing installation
nothing so much to do with any one company....
only that there's too much money being spent on upgrading to the
latest-greatest when, in the end, clear-headed observation shows that having
the latest software does little to improve competitiveness or to gain market
share.
Carr and others have made convincing arguments that one is better off using
a stable version and making it bullet-proof, than to be constantly
upgrading. Of course those of you who feed off the IT budget are likely to
disagree :-)
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.05/view.html?pg=2
<http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.05/view.html?pg=2>
(I can point to the original article if needed....)
cheers
Mike Gould
At 20:17 01/06/2004, Ross, Gregory K. wrote:
A look at ESRI's growth record would indicate YES if you mean from their
end. From my end I would also say yes as their software does 99.99% of what
they say it does. I'm not saying that any one software is better than others
as some of it is right place at right time for right price. Show me a GIS
software company that produces a software product or suite of software that
can accomplish ALL the tasks that ESRI software can. I would venture that
most users that are not happy with the ESRI product only use 20% of it's
capabilities and they, perhaps, have the right to complain about how that
20% is accomplished.
Gregg Ross
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From: Michael Gould [mailto:gould@lsi.uji.es <mailto:gould@lsi.uji.es> ]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:09 PM
To: Ross, Gregory K.
Subject: RE: [gislist] ArcGIS 9 - recommend postponing installation
ummm, but here the original complaint was that expensive software does work
as promised.
Is that profitable??
MG
At 20:06 01/06/2004, Ross, Gregory K. wrote:
Problem with this theory is that, almost universally, businesses (and city,
state, federal governments if they are being run efficiently), are NOT
INTERESTED CONTROL of their SOFTWARE, but in MAKING A PROFIT a profit or
getting the job done in the most efficient manner. Hence, don't reinvent the
wheel when somebody else has already invested the time, money, and energy to
create a product (Microsoft, Oracle, and ESRI come to mind) that performs
the tasks you wish it to perform at an acceptable cost. Start-ups make this
mistake much more often than need be................
Gregg Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Gould [mailto:gould@lsi.uji.es <mailto:gould@lsi.uji.es> ]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:57 PM
To: Anthony Quartararo: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] ArcGIS 9 - recommend postponing installation
At 18:38 01/06/2004, Anthony Quartararo wrote:
>Ok sure, I'll just phone up all my clients, and ask them to scrap their
>hundreds of thousands of dollars in infrastructure centered around ESRI
>technology, not to mention business processes, people and an untold
>number of partners, so I can have one less headache each day.
>Errrrrrr, survey says......try again.
try unplugging a piece at a time. migrate the data in parallel to Deegree
or Geoserver or MapGuide and then without telling anyone pull the plug on
the arcIMS. then the same with the visualization side (Jump etc.).....
your hardware is heterogeneous, now try the software... plug-n-play.
keeping all the eggs in one software basket leaves control in the hands of
the software vendor.
M Gould
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>From: J Bee [mailto:mapcmon@yahoo.com <mailto:mapcmon@yahoo.com> ]
>Sent: Tue
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