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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] citrix |
| Date: |
06/09/2004 03:55:01 PM |
| From: |
lovegis .. comcast.net |
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Gregg wrote:
<<1. Yes, ESRI will consider your system as a "commercial" ASP, since this is
what ArcIMS is made to support. Since The Forestland Group firm currently
manages approximately 1,185,527 acres in eleven states (according to
website), I would consider any undertaking by them to be on the "enterprise"
level. >>
I don't think so. The ArcGIS desktop license model would allow you to run the number of ArcMAP instances as one has licenses for. Thus 2 concurrent users would not be able to use ArcMAP at the same time if there is only 1 license available. We currently use citrix and ArcView 3.x (and sometimes ArcMAP) at one of my client sites and this is possible. However, as mentioned before, ArcMAP was not meant bo be used in this way and is an extremely thick application ... so performance can be problematic.
However, this distributed GIS scenario (but working on centralized data and functionality) is what ArcGIS Server 9.x was developed to address. The use of a centralized GIS that comes with all the functionality of ArcGIS and can be programmed with ArcObjects. The reorganization of ArcObjects at 9.x into functionality groups will allow the development of thin client applications that can be run within browsers (or as stand alone applications) and served over the Internet / Intranet for Enterprise GIS solutions. The nice thing about ArcGIS Server vs. ArcIMS is that it allows one to use the full functionality of ArcMAP / ArcCatolog and, because it is ArcObjects based, will allow organizations to reuse code / functionality.
Regards,
Reily Love
Love GIS Consulting
www.LoveGIS.com
LoveGIS@comcast.net
206-522-2754
206-930-1842 (cell)
> A few points:
>
> 1. Yes, ESRI will consider your system as a "commercial" ASP, since this is
> what ArcIMS is made to support. Since The Forestland Group firm currently
> manages approximately 1,185,527 acres in eleven states (according to
> website), I would consider any undertaking by them to be on the "enterprise"
> level. Therefore, you must be willing to pay to have it done right the first
> time. I would wait for an answer from someone who has enterprise level
> experience with Citrix and ArcMap before making a decision. It is hard to
> give advice w/o end-user numbers to associate with the software and
> hardware. I agree with Anthony, set something up with Citrix for a demo,
> probably the only true test you will get.
>
> 2. Yes, wireless providers offer usage plans, but much like the commercial
> on TV. "Tell me how many minutes you plan to use for the next 2 years every
> month and don't go over or under or you will pay." Wireless providers make
> there money off over paying and under usage by their customers. Is this the
> mindset we want in the software, networking community? Wireless providers
> also ranked second to last in customer service in a recent survey. Only
> cable providers ranked worse in customer service. Imagine.........
>
> 3. Anthony, were can you get 3,000 anytime minutes for $40/month? I want on
> that plan!!!
>
> Gregg Ross
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Quartararo [mailto:ajq3@spatialnetworks.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 4:01 PM
> To: 'gis list'
> Subject: RE: [gislist] citrix
>
> The technological components will work with each other. ArcMap works ok
> under Citrix, and I would presume Manifold would too. A T1 should be
> sufficient, however, that's only point to point, once you get inside your
> LAN, pass firewalls, routers, switches, etc. you may find that the latency
> degrades performance to the point where your people will start questioning
> your strategy, if not more. DO NOT go to ArcMap 9.0, not now, not for a
> while, and certainly set up a test-bed area before going live with this
> "ASP" setup. The real problem is the total cost of ownership is not a
> compelling strategy. NONE of the GIS software vendors, and for that matter,
> NONE of the database companies really make deploying an architecture that
> you are planning economically feasible. ESRI strategy is ArcIMS, however,
> that's very pricey, and they may view your system as a "commercial" ASP and
> thus take both arms, both legs, first born, etc. in licensing fees and
> support WITH NO upside in performance for your people. Have you considered
> how you will handle imagery or 3D models ? Bandwidth consumption on those is
> exponential. Will you host the server farm yourself ? Physical and network
> security ? I suggest asking Citrix to send someone out to demo with your
> applications, or provide you case studies, real metrics on performance.
> They have reference clients in our industry and should be able, if not
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