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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] GIS Certification? |
| Date: |
06/10/2004 11:15:01 AM |
| From: |
Zach Travis |
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i like the idea of a way to network gis professionals by some form of
certification. anything that helps me appear to be a person instead of a
computer operating robot can only help.
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com]On Behalf Of J Bee
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:54 AM
To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
Say what?
The mere fact that this idea of a GIS certification is needed in the
corporate woorld, by itself, invites debate. Beyond that, my response
aligns more to what Anthorny and Travis have questioned than to a debate
with you. If you want to run and hide then do so.
As far as "far to many applications" to spend time debating, I mean c'mon.
I'm sure you've heard that there is a sucker in every crowd, and if the
number of appications you have received (for all I know could be 20 or so)
is your justification for such a program, then your justification is weak.
Many folks might be applying because they fear their current job or future
chances of employment may be jepordized by a ridiculous certification
requirement imposed upon them by some bureaucratic gobbly gook.
Again, if you don't want to debate - oh yes - because you are so busy, then
step aside and let others speak.
Scott Grams <sgrams@urisa.org> wrote:
Bob,
I wasn't looking for a debate. We have too many applications on hand to
spend time engaged in one of those. I thought it would be helpful for
Anthony to review the GISCI program, and what it looks to certify, before it
is condemned.
Regards,
Scott Grams
GISCI Certification Manager
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com]On Behalf Of J Bee
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:29 AM
To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
Scott,
You completely missed Anthony's main point - the meat of his message:
"This whole certification initiative is a SOLUTION
looking for a PROBLEM. Really now, what was the original impetus for
starting this effort waaaay back when ? How on earth did the GIS industry
ever make it this far WITHOUT "certified" professionals ?"
The fact that you only responded to his question of how tests are taken
merely shows the weakmess and complete insanity of a GIS Certificate. I -
like many others, don't have one, won't get one, and don't need one.
Oh sure, hanging another certicifcate on your wall and smoking a pipe while
talking about your GIS certificate school days (while also rubbing your
balding head) probably sounds grandor, but please, give me a break! This
field is changing so fast that a certificate means n-o-t-h-i-n-g. I have
taken on college interns and watched them turn into excellent GIS
professionsals, and guess what - no certification! What a scam, what a
fallacy, and what a bureaucratic false sense of security. Sounds like some
GISers have this low self esteem about themselves, and maybe some little
paper certificate makes them feel good all over. Please.
Bob, PPC (PowerPoint Certified)
Scott Grams wrote:
Anthony,
The former CEO of Kinkos would be proud. The GISCI Certification program is
not examination based. It does not favor good test takers who memorize
facts. It is a portfolio based system that looks at an individuals
educational achievement, professional experience, and contributions back to
the profession. Please visit www.gisci.org for more information.
Regards,
Scott Grams
GISCI Certification Manager
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com]On Behalf Of Anthony
Quartararo
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:02 AM
To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
I've made my opinion known on this subject in the past. I really hate to
say "I told you so...". This whole certification initiative is a SOLUTION
looking for a PROBLEM. Really now, what was the original impetus for
starting this effort waaaay back when ? How on earth did the GIS industry
ever make it this far WITHOUT "certified" professionals ? One sure way to
stifle innovation, creativity and entrepreneurial endeavors is to suffocate
would-be professionals with certification requirements mandated by
Governments without full consideration for the intended/unintended
consequences. Again, I draw the analogy that many in the GIS industry would
be all-to-familiar with: an ISO-9000 certified/registered company that
still manages to delivery crap. How can this be? This company would have
had to put in place a quality management system, documentation, internal
audits, training, continuous improvement campaigns, endure annual external
audits and re-certification audits, and after all that jazz, still churn out
crap.....all the while, using the ubiquitous and overbl
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