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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] GIS Certification? |
| Date: |
06/10/2004 12:10:02 PM |
| From: |
Marc Allred |
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Of course everyone would hire the person who most meets their needs.
That is easier said than done. If everyone you hired met all of your
needs than you wouldn't need certification in anything. Some people can
talk the talk, but not walk the walk. A certification helps with
showing your work history and references. Of course I know places who
don't adequately check references either.
Marc Allred
Northwest Piedmont COG
GIS Analyst
Phone: 336-761-2111
Fax: 336-761-2112
E-mail: mallred@nwpcog.org
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lord
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:47 AM
To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
I would think you would be better served by hiring the candidate that
most meets your needs. I don't think having a certificate would have
much effect in a hiring decision. I would think that checking
references, work history, and on your interview process and judgment
would hold more water than a certificate would.
-Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com]On Behalf Of Chris Barber
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:05 AM
To: J Bee: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
If you had two candidates for the same GIS job, one with a GISCI (or
other) certificate and the other without (and all other factors equal),
which would you hire?
This is a question for anyone who cares to answer, not just Bob. And
it's not intended to challenge anyone's point of view, it's just a
question. I've always assumed having a certificate of whatever kind is
better that not having one....even a PPC.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: J Bee [mailto:mapcmon@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:54 AM
To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
Say what?
The mere fact that this idea of a GIS certification is needed in the
corporate woorld, by itself, invites debate. Beyond that, my response
aligns more to what Anthorny and Travis have questioned than to a debate
with you. If you want to run and hide then do so.
As far as "far to many applications" to spend time debating, I mean
c'mon. I'm sure you've heard that there is a sucker in every crowd, and
if the number of appications you have received (for all I know could be
20 or so) is your justification for such a program, then your
justification is weak. Many folks might be applying because they fear
their current job or future chances of employment may be jepordized by a
ridiculous certification requirement imposed upon them by some
bureaucratic gobbly gook.
Again, if you don't want to debate - oh yes - because you are so busy,
then step aside and let others speak.
Scott Grams <sgrams@urisa.org> wrote:
Bob,
I wasn't looking for a debate. We have too many applications on hand to
spend time engaged in one of those. I thought it would be helpful for
Anthony to review the GISCI program, and what it looks to certify,
before it is condemned.
Regards,
Scott Grams
GISCI Certification Manager
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com]On Behalf Of J Bee
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:29 AM
To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
Scott,
You completely missed Anthony's main point - the meat of his message:
"This whole certification initiative is a SOLUTION
looking for a PROBLEM. Really now, what was the original impetus for
starting this effort waaaay back when ? How on earth did the GIS
industry ever make it this far WITHOUT "certified" professionals ?"
The fact that you only responded to his question of how tests are taken
merely shows the weakmess and complete insanity of a GIS Certificate. I
- like many others, don't have one, won't get one, and don't need one.
Oh sure, hanging another certicifcate on your wall and smoking a pipe
while talking about your GIS certificate school days (while also rubbing
your balding head) probably sounds grandor, but please, give me a break!
This field is changing so fast that a certificate means n-o-t-h-i-n-g. I
have taken on college interns and watched them turn into excellent GIS
professionsals, and guess what - no certification! What a scam, what a
fallacy, and what a bureaucratic false sense of security. Sounds like
some GISers have this low self esteem about themselves, and maybe some
little paper certificate makes them feel good all over. Please.
Bob, PPC (PowerPoint Certified)
Scott Grams wrote:
Anthony,
The former CEO of Kinkos would be proud. The GISCI Certification program
is not examination based. It does not favor good test takers who
memorize facts. It is a portfolio based system that
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