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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] GIS Certification? |
| Date: |
06/10/2004 12:55:01 PM |
| From: |
Anthony Quartararo |
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Point of fact, the certification is irrelevant in at least my view, when
looking to hire someone. I have reviewed hundreds, literally, if not some
thousands of resumes over the past 14 years. I cannot recall one time that
the superfluous and seemingly important list of "certifications" or
accomplishments that many put at the end of their CVs has even caught my
eye, let alone impressed me enough to ask an interview question about it.
That's not to say I am an interview pushover, or easily snowed, and
certainly not an easy person to work for, or with at times. If a hiring
manager (GIS or HR-based) uses a certification as a basis, however big or
small, as criteria to hire, OUTSIDE of what may be unfortunately mandated by
statute or questionable corporate policy, then I would have to seriously
question the competence and true vision of the hiring manager.
Anthony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Chris Barber
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:05 PM
> To: J Bee: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
> If you had two candidates for the same GIS job, one with a
> GISCI (or other) certificate and the other without (and all
> other factors equal), which would you hire?
>
> This is a question for anyone who cares to answer, not just
> Bob. And it's not intended to challenge anyone's point of
> view, it's just a question. I've always assumed having a
> certificate of whatever kind is better that not having
> one....even a PPC.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J Bee [mailto:mapcmon@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:54 AM
> To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
>
> Say what?
>
> The mere fact that this idea of a GIS certification is needed
> in the corporate woorld, by itself, invites debate. Beyond
> that, my response aligns more to what Anthorny and Travis
> have questioned than to a debate with you. If you want to
> run and hide then do so.
>
> As far as "far to many applications" to spend time debating,
> I mean c'mon. I'm sure you've heard that there is a sucker
> in every crowd, and if the number of appications you have
> received (for all I know could be 20 or so) is your
> justification for such a program, then your justification is
> weak. Many folks might be applying because they fear their
> current job or future chances of employment may be jepordized
> by a ridiculous certification requirement imposed upon them
> by some bureaucratic gobbly gook.
>
> Again, if you don't want to debate - oh yes - because you are
> so busy, then step aside and let others speak.
>
>
>
> Scott Grams <sgrams@urisa.org> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I wasn't looking for a debate. We have too many applications
> on hand to spend time engaged in one of those. I thought it
> would be helpful for Anthony to review the GISCI program, and
> what it looks to certify, before it is condemned.
>
> Regards,
> Scott Grams
> GISCI Certification Manager
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com]On Behalf Of J Bee
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:29 AM
> To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
>
> Scott,
>
> You completely missed Anthony's main point - the meat of his message:
>
> "This whole certification initiative is a SOLUTION looking
> for a PROBLEM. Really now, what was the original impetus for
> starting this effort waaaay back when ? How on earth did the
> GIS industry ever make it this far WITHOUT "certified"
> professionals ?"
>
> The fact that you only responded to his question of how tests
> are taken merely shows the weakmess and complete insanity of
> a GIS Certificate. I - like many others, don't have one,
> won't get one, and don't need one.
>
> Oh sure, hanging another certicifcate on your wall and
> smoking a pipe while talking about your GIS certificate
> school days (while also rubbing your balding head) probably
> sounds grandor, but please, give me a break! This field is
> changing so fast that a certificate means n-o-t-h-i-n-g. I
> have taken on college interns and watched them turn into
> excellent GIS professionsals, and guess what - no
> certification! What a scam, what a fallacy, and what a
> bureaucratic false sense of security. Sounds like some GISers
> have this low self esteem about themselves, and maybe some
> little
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