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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] GIS Certification? |
| Date: |
06/10/2004 01:15:01 PM |
| From: |
Anthony Quartararo |
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It is the foolish hiring manager that relies on what is printed on the CV as
a basis to hire someone. The smart hiring manager will do a lot of due
diligence, going well beyond the ad-hoc call to a "professional" or personal
reference. After all, who puts a person down as a reference that will not
say glowing positive things about the candidate in question ? We need a
certification to "guarantee" someone has the experience they claim, come on,
that's a lazy way to make a decision about someone. And to boot, even if
everyone started requiring certifications, and everyone got them, what would
the real net be for the industry and profession? So much for any uniqueness
eh ? It's a novelty folks, like WAP and checking stock quotes on your
mobile phone, it will pass away and find the round file in the sky too.....
Anthony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Marc Allred
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:45 PM
> To: gislist@lists.geocomm.com
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
> Chris,
> You hit it right on the noggin. If the public and
> private sector take the GISP certified individual over the
> one without the certificate than you will see more
> individuals getting certified.
> Otherwise, it want work. The certificate has nothing to do
> with an exam.
>
> To be certified you must have a minimum amount of
> experience (I believe its 4 years), and a combination of
> education, type of work (managerial, programming, data
> maintenance, etc..., and contributions to the field.
>
> Now if you're an employer (and many of them have little GIS
> experience) and you have two applications that look similar,
> but one is certified and a certification guarantees that have
> this minimum amount of experience. Which one do you choose?
> For an employer to verify you are certified they only need to
> check the website.
>
> Marc Allred
> Northwest Piedmont COG
> GIS Analyst
> Phone: 336-761-2111
> Fax: 336-761-2112
> E-mail: mallred@nwpcog.org
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Chris Barber
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:05 AM
> To: J Bee: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
>
> If you had two candidates for the same GIS job, one with a GISCI (or
> other) certificate and the other without (and all other
> factors equal), which would you hire?
>
> This is a question for anyone who cares to answer, not just
> Bob. And it's not intended to challenge anyone's point of
> view, it's just a question. I've always assumed having a
> certificate of whatever kind is better that not having
> one....even a PPC.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J Bee [mailto:mapcmon@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:54 AM
> To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
>
> Say what?
>
> The mere fact that this idea of a GIS certification is needed
> in the corporate woorld, by itself, invites debate. Beyond
> that, my response aligns more to what Anthorny and Travis
> have questioned than to a debate with you. If you want to
> run and hide then do so.
>
> As far as "far to many applications" to spend time debating,
> I mean c'mon. I'm sure you've heard that there is a sucker
> in every crowd, and if the number of appications you have
> received (for all I know could be 20 or so) is your
> justification for such a program, then your justification is
> weak. Many folks might be applying because they fear their
> current job or future chances of employment may be jepordized
> by a ridiculous certification requirement imposed upon them
> by some bureaucratic gobbly gook.
>
> Again, if you don't want to debate - oh yes - because you are
> so busy, then step aside and let others speak.
>
>
>
> Scott Grams <sgrams@urisa.org> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I wasn't looking for a debate. We have too many applications
> on hand to spend time engaged in one of those. I thought it
> would be helpful for Anthony to review the GISCI program, and
> what it looks to certify, before it is condemned.
>
> Regards,
> Scott Grams
> GISCI Certification Manager
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com]On Behalf Of J Bee
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:29 AM
> To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> Subject
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