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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] GIS Certification? |
| Date: |
06/10/2004 01:15:01 PM |
| From: |
Anthony Quartararo |
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Excellent points. Exactly.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lord
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:47 PM
> To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
> I would think you would be better served by hiring the
> candidate that most meets your needs. I don't think having a
> certificate would have much effect in a hiring decision. I
> would think that checking references, work history, and on
> your interview process and judgment would hold more water
> than a certificate would.
> -Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com]On Behalf Of Chris Barber
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:05 AM
> To: J Bee: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
>
> If you had two candidates for the same GIS job, one with a
> GISCI (or other) certificate and the other without (and all
> other factors equal), which would you hire?
>
> This is a question for anyone who cares to answer, not just
> Bob. And it's not intended to challenge anyone's point of
> view, it's just a question.
> I've always assumed having a certificate of whatever kind is
> better that not having one....even a PPC.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J Bee [mailto:mapcmon@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:54 AM
> To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
>
> Say what?
>
> The mere fact that this idea of a GIS certification is needed
> in the corporate woorld, by itself, invites debate. Beyond
> that, my response aligns more to what Anthorny and Travis
> have questioned than to a debate with you. If you want to
> run and hide then do so.
>
> As far as "far to many applications" to spend time debating,
> I mean c'mon.
> I'm sure you've heard that there is a sucker in every crowd,
> and if the number of appications you have received (for all I
> know could be 20 or so) is your justification for such a
> program, then your justification is weak.
> Many folks might be applying because they fear their current
> job or future chances of employment may be jepordized by a
> ridiculous certification requirement imposed upon them by
> some bureaucratic gobbly gook.
>
> Again, if you don't want to debate - oh yes - because you are
> so busy, then step aside and let others speak.
>
>
>
> Scott Grams <sgrams@urisa.org> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I wasn't looking for a debate. We have too many applications
> on hand to spend time engaged in one of those. I thought it
> would be helpful for Anthony to review the GISCI program, and
> what it looks to certify, before it is condemned.
>
> Regards,
> Scott Grams
> GISCI Certification Manager
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com]On Behalf Of J Bee
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:29 AM
> To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
>
> Scott,
>
> You completely missed Anthony's main point - the meat of his message:
>
> "This whole certification initiative is a SOLUTION looking
> for a PROBLEM. Really now, what was the original impetus for
> starting this effort waaaay back when ? How on earth did the
> GIS industry ever make it this far WITHOUT "certified"
> professionals ?"
>
> The fact that you only responded to his question of how tests
> are taken merely shows the weakmess and complete insanity of
> a GIS Certificate. I - like many others, don't have one,
> won't get one, and don't need one.
>
> Oh sure, hanging another certicifcate on your wall and
> smoking a pipe while talking about your GIS certificate
> school days (while also rubbing your balding head) probably
> sounds grandor, but please, give me a break! This field is
> changing so fast that a certificate means n-o-t-h-i-n-g. I
> have taken on college interns and watched them turn into
> excellent GIS professionsals, and guess what - no
> certification! What a scam, what a fallacy, and what a
> bureaucratic false sense of security. Sounds like some GISers
> have this low self esteem about themselves, and maybe some
> little paper certificate makes them feel good all over. Please.
>
> Bob, PPC (PowerPoint Certified)
>
>
> Scott Grams wrote:
> Anthony,
>
> The former CEO of Kinkos would be
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