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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] GIS Certification? |
| Date: |
06/10/2004 01:25:01 PM |
| From: |
Anthony Quartararo |
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ESRI cannot afford NOT to "support" it. If all of ESRI's people were
suddenly certified, will it make them better professionals? Does anyone
really believe that ?
Speaking of other certifications programs [none ring a bell, except the PMP
from PMI], has any other really mattered? Land surveying is a legal
matter, hence the state by state requirement, and this is a good thing, and
more power to them, geodesy is not for the faint of heart, but how do you
gauge a persons qualification in seeing a spatial problem and solving it ?
Are the right answers, or only answers that are better than others.
As I have said in much earlier posts (several months back), it should be
market-driven: that is, professional darwinism. Yes, I said that. Those
than cannot adapt, see the future, are destined to become extinct, if not
gobbled up by the bigger, smarter, faster fish in the sea. When you put in
place obstacles to those forces [which are natural in every process], then
you dilute the profession and industry [aka. Collective bargaining
agreements, sticking with the industry leaders just because, etc.]
Anthony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Marc Allred
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:06 PM
> To: gislist@lists.geocomm.com
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
> My last 2 cents for a while.
>
> I'm sure when other certifications were in their infancy
> these same questions came up for them. In the beginning
> (first 10 years or so), the GISCI certification's importance
> will vary from company to company - government to government.
> And I'm sure the certification requirements themselves will
> be modified as time goes on. With the state of Oregon
> endorsing it and other companies such as ESRI (they are
> giving free online classes to the first 1000 certified) it
> already has more potential than its previous predecessors.
> Will it succeed in being a nation-wide certification for GIS
> professionals (not users), only time will tell.
>
> Marc Allred
> Northwest Piedmont COG
> GIS Analyst
> Phone: 336-761-2111
> Fax: 336-761-2112
> E-mail: mallred@nwpcog.org
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Quartararo
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:52 PM
> To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
>
> Point of fact, the certification is irrelevant in at least
> my view, when looking to hire someone. I have reviewed
> hundreds, literally, if not some thousands of resumes over
> the past 14 years. I cannot recall one time that the
> superfluous and seemingly important list of "certifications"
> or accomplishments that many put at the end of their CVs has
> even caught my eye, let alone impressed me enough to ask an
> interview question about it.
>
> That's not to say I am an interview pushover, or easily
> snowed, and certainly not an easy person to work for, or with
> at times. If a hiring manager (GIS or HR-based) uses a
> certification as a basis, however big or small, as criteria
> to hire, OUTSIDE of what may be unfortunately mandated by
> statute or questionable corporate policy, then I would have
> to seriously question the competence and true vision of the
> hiring manager.
>
> Anthony
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> > [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Chris Barber
> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:05 PM
> > To: J Bee: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> > Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
> >
> > If you had two candidates for the same GIS job, one with a
> GISCI (or
> > other) certificate and the other without (and all other factors
> > equal), which would you hire?
> >
> > This is a question for anyone who cares to answer, not just
> Bob. And
> > it's not intended to challenge anyone's point of view, it's just a
> > question. I've always assumed having a certificate of
> whatever kind
> > is better that not having one....even a PPC.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: J Bee [mailto:mapcmon@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:54 AM
> > To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> > Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
> >
> >
> > Say what?
> >
> > The mere fact that this idea of a GIS certification is
> needed in the
> > corporat
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