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| Subject: | Re: [gislist] GIS Certification? |
| Date: |
06/10/2004 05:20:00 PM |
| From: |
Brian Russo |
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We really should be certifying software as well then..
At Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 02:30:06PM -0400, Miller, Harold wrote:
> Like many things in life, we all have an opinion. Short of making one feel
> good about their accomplishments, a Certification will only mean as much as
> the industry will allow. I think legislating it for the sake of it has no
> positive value. As a GIS Professional working in an Engineering firm, I see
> the value of professional certification. Its borne out of liability and
> accountability. That is to say that if an engineer designs something that
> fails and harm is caused, then as a certified professional, and the only one
> who could authorize its design, liability for the failure has a source.
>
> As a GIS professional for the better part of 20 years, I have worked on
> numerous projects, in numerous situations. Some have involved authorizing /
> signing off on design aspects for GIS systems. Some have done better than
> others, but I have never as a GIS professional been in a legal liability
> situation similar to a doctor, lawyer, engineer or even licensed surveyor.
> That is not to say that it can't happen or hasn't happened.
>
> I am supportive of a Certification process that has real purpose and
> engenders real forwarding of the science or practice. But, as GIS as a
> supporting discipline or business becomes a commodity, it becomes less
> justifiable. GIS is more about intelligent data management in support of
> other businesses and practices - i.e. Engineering, Environment, Land
> Management, etc..
>
> There will always need to be a core of pure GIS specialists to continue to
> move the science and related technology forward and maybe that is where a
> certification discussion or option can be focused - Just my 2 cents (sorry
> 2.7 Canadian)
>
> Harold
>
>
> Harold S. Miller
> Conestoga-Rovers & Associates
> eSolutions Group
> 228 Matheson Blvd. E.,
> Mississauga, Ont., L4Z 1X1
> Phone: (905) 712-0510
> Fax: (905) 712-0515
> Cell: (519) 835-7366
> email to: hmiller@craworld.com
> web: http://www.CRAworld.com
>
> It is the foolish hiring manager that relies on what is printed on the CV as
> a basis to hire someone. The smart hiring manager will do a lot of due
> diligence, going well beyond the ad-hoc call to a "professional" or personal
> reference. After all, who puts a person down as a reference that will not
> say glowing positive things about the candidate in question ? We need a
> certification to "guarantee" someone has the experience they claim, come on,
> that's a lazy way to make a decision about someone. And to boot, even if
> everyone started requiring certifications, and everyone got them, what would
> the real net be for the industry and profession? So much for any uniqueness
> eh ? It's a novelty folks, like WAP and checking stock quotes on your
> mobile phone, it will pass away and find the round file in the sky too.....
>
> Anthony
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> > [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Marc Allred
> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:45 PM
> > To: gislist@lists.geocomm.com
> > Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
> >
> > Chris,
> > You hit it right on the noggin. If the public and
> > private sector take the GISP certified individual over the
> > one without the certificate than you will see more
> > individuals getting certified.
> > Otherwise, it want work. The certificate has nothing to do
> > with an exam.
> >
> > To be certified you must have a minimum amount of
> > experience (I believe its 4 years), and a combination of
> > education, type of work (managerial, programming, data
> > maintenance, etc..., and contributions to the field.
> >
> > Now if you're an employer (and many of them have little GIS
> > experience) and you have two applications that look similar,
> > but one is certified and a certification guarantees that have
> > this minimum amount of experience. Which one do you choose?
> > For an employer to verify you are certified they only need to
> > check the website.
> >
> > Marc Allred
> > Northwest Piedmont COG
> > GIS Analyst
> > Phone: 336-761-2111
> > Fax: 336-761-2112
> > E-mail: mallred@nwpcog.org
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> > [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Chris Barber
> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:05 AM
> &
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