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Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
Date:  06/10/2004 08:35:01 PM
From:  Anthony Quartararo



Lovely, I missed this "filtering" process in my initial rant. These types
of "qualifying" application processes only benefit those potential
candidates kniving enough to pepper their CVs and applications with key
words that are "all the rave" [again - WAP, IMS, ASP, certification..."] so
that they get the call for the interview. Indeed, not a bad strategy given
that a CV's sole purpose is to GET the interview, not the job, but this is
much akin to how Google ranks search queries. How many times does the word
"certification" appear in a candidates CV: the logical conclusion would be,
from this approach, is that if I submit a 5 page CV with nothing but
certification, I would be guaranteed an interview. A nonsense example, but
you see the point. The effort becomes a cat n mouse game between the hiring
manager and the pool of candidates. Far removed from the business of
finding the right candidate.

If the military is hiring people for jobs without having someone that the
candidate would actually work with or under in the interviewing process, if
not contributing to the final decision, I'm speechless.....

Anthony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of
> Dawson, Theresa A LRH
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:49 PM
> To: 'gislist@lists.thinkburst.com'
> Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
> And goodness knows every HR person I've ever met in my life
> has been thoroughly versed in the work they're hiring me for.
> All of my supervisors know what I do as well as I do or
> better. I can sit down with anyone who interviews me for a
> position and have a meaningful conversation about choosing
> the correct cell size for various spatial analyses.
>
> Of course, I live in my own little fantasy world where I
> never have to parallel park, too.
>
> The truth is my boss hasn't the foggiest idea how I do what I
> do. He only knows I give him good analyses. I started our GIS
> program and I'm the only person who could realistically vet
> an applicant for our office. What do you think my chances of
> being in on an Army interview are? None. It's handled through
> an automated computer system that looks specifically for key
> words like "Certification". We've got good people doing good
> work, but it's sure not because our HR people knew how to pick 'em.
>
> You can sneer all you like at the concept of certification,
> but it doesn't change the fact that half the people hiring
> "GIS Specialists" don't know what they want, much less need,
> and they'll latch on to things you may think are meaningless,
> but which they can translate to "Something like a PE". If it
> gives an applicant an edge, then they'd be an idiot not to
> get the certification.
>
> Terry Dawson
> Opinionated Engineer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Reed [mailto:creediii@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:17 PM
> To: Martin du Saire: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com: Michael Gould
> Subject: Re: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
> Following what MG states, there is an old business adage WRT
> hiring - Attitude over aptitude. Certification does not
> measure attitude.
>
> Carl
>
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