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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] GIS Certification? |
| Date: |
06/10/2004 08:40:00 PM |
| From: |
Anthony Quartararo |
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Amen to that. Perhaps if that were the *only* area that were certified
[software engineers] in our industry, the rest of us would lose a ton of
*excuses* ["ah, it's the software sir"], but we would be equally freed-up to
truly excel instead of spending so much time scratching a whole in our
heads...
By no means am I suggesting any of the big ISVs seek ISO 9001
certification....please....however, conforming to the SEI CMM Level 5 might
be a nice start....
Anthony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Brian Russo
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:15 PM
> To: Miller, Harold
> Cc: gislist@lists.geocomm.com
> Subject: Re: [gislist] GIS Certification?
>
> We really should be certifying software as well then..
>
>
> At Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 02:30:06PM -0400, Miller, Harold wrote:
> > Like many things in life, we all have an opinion. Short of
> making one
> > feel good about their accomplishments, a Certification will
> only mean
> > as much as the industry will allow. I think legislating it for the
> > sake of it has no positive value. As a GIS Professional
> working in an
> > Engineering firm, I see the value of professional
> certification. Its
> > borne out of liability and accountability. That is to say
> that if an
> > engineer designs something that fails and harm is caused, then as a
> > certified professional, and the only one who could
> authorize its design, liability for the failure has a source.
> >
> > As a GIS professional for the better part of 20 years, I
> have worked
> > on numerous projects, in numerous situations. Some have involved
> > authorizing / signing off on design aspects for GIS
> systems. Some have
> > done better than others, but I have never as a GIS
> professional been
> > in a legal liability situation similar to a doctor, lawyer,
> engineer or even licensed surveyor.
> > That is not to say that it can't happen or hasn't happened.
> >
> > I am supportive of a Certification process that has real
> purpose and
> > engenders real forwarding of the science or practice. But,
> as GIS as a
> > supporting discipline or business becomes a commodity, it
> becomes less
> > justifiable. GIS is more about intelligent data management
> in support
> > of other businesses and practices - i.e. Engineering, Environment,
> > Land Management, etc..
> >
> > There will always need to be a core of pure GIS specialists to
> > continue to move the science and related technology forward
> and maybe
> > that is where a certification discussion or option can be focused -
> > Just my 2 cents (sorry
> > 2.7 Canadian)
> >
> > Harold
> >
> >
> > Harold S. Miller
> > Conestoga-Rovers & Associates
> > eSolutions Group
> > 228 Matheson Blvd. E.,
> > Mississauga, Ont., L4Z 1X1
> > Phone: (905) 712-0510
> > Fax: (905) 712-0515
> > Cell: (519) 835-7366
> > email to: hmiller@craworld.com
> > web: http://www.CRAworld.com
> >
> > It is the foolish hiring manager that relies on what is
> printed on the
> > CV as a basis to hire someone. The smart hiring manager
> will do a lot
> > of due diligence, going well beyond the ad-hoc call to a
> > "professional" or personal reference. After all, who puts a person
> > down as a reference that will not say glowing positive things about
> > the candidate in question ? We need a certification to
> "guarantee" someone has the experience they claim, come on,
> > that's a lazy way to make a decision about someone. And
> to boot, even if
> > everyone started requiring certifications, and everyone got
> them, what
> > would the real net be for the industry and profession? So much for
> > any uniqueness eh ? It's a novelty folks, like WAP and
> checking stock
> > quotes on your mobile phone, it will pass away and find the
> round file in the sky too.....
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> > > [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of
> Marc Allred
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:45 PM
> > > To: gislist@lists.geocomm.com
> > > Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > > You hit it right on the noggin. If the public and
> private sector
> > > take the GISP certified individual over the one without the
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