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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] GIS Certification? |
| Date: |
06/10/2004 10:15:01 PM |
| From: |
Sean Grimland |
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>From what I have seen in government jobs, not
specifically with the military, I think that person
(the one the candidate would work with/under) is in
the interview process but not involved in deciding who
gets an interview. That is dictated by the filtering.
Sean Grimland
--- Anthony Quartararo <ajq3@spatialnetworks.com>
wrote:
> Lovely, I missed this "filtering" process in my
> initial rant. These types
> of "qualifying" application processes only benefit
> those potential
> candidates kniving enough to pepper their CVs and
> applications with key
> words that are "all the rave" [again - WAP, IMS,
> ASP, certification..."] so
> that they get the call for the interview. Indeed,
> not a bad strategy given
> that a CV's sole purpose is to GET the interview,
> not the job, but this is
> much akin to how Google ranks search queries. How
> many times does the word
> "certification" appear in a candidates CV: the
> logical conclusion would be,
> from this approach, is that if I submit a 5 page CV
> with nothing but
> certification, I would be guaranteed an interview.
> A nonsense example, but
> you see the point. The effort becomes a cat n mouse
> game between the hiring
> manager and the pool of candidates. Far removed
> from the business of
> finding the right candidate.
>
> If the military is hiring people for jobs without
> having someone that the
> candidate would actually work with or under in the
> interviewing process, if
> not contributing to the final decision, I'm
> speechless.....
>
> Anthony
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
> > [mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > Dawson, Theresa A LRH
> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:49 PM
> > To: 'gislist@lists.thinkburst.com'
> > Subject: RE: [gislist] GIS Certification?
> >
> > And goodness knows every HR person I've ever met
> in my life
> > has been thoroughly versed in the work they're
> hiring me for.
> > All of my supervisors know what I do as well as I
> do or
> > better. I can sit down with anyone who interviews
> me for a
> > position and have a meaningful conversation about
> choosing
> > the correct cell size for various spatial
> analyses.
> >
> > Of course, I live in my own little fantasy world
> where I
> > never have to parallel park, too.
> >
> > The truth is my boss hasn't the foggiest idea how
> I do what I
> > do. He only knows I give him good analyses. I
> started our GIS
> > program and I'm the only person who could
> realistically vet
> > an applicant for our office. What do you think my
> chances of
> > being in on an Army interview are? None. It's
> handled through
> > an automated computer system that looks
> specifically for key
> > words like "Certification". We've got good people
> doing good
> > work, but it's sure not because our HR people knew
> how to pick 'em.
> >
> > You can sneer all you like at the concept of
> certification,
> > but it doesn't change the fact that half the
> people hiring
> > "GIS Specialists" don't know what they want, much
> less need,
> > and they'll latch on to things you may think are
> meaningless,
> > but which they can translate to "Something like a
> PE". If it
> > gives an applicant an edge, then they'd be an
> idiot not to
> > get the certification.
> >
> > Terry Dawson
> > Opinionated Engineer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carl Reed [mailto:creediii@mindspring.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:17 PM
> > To: Martin du Saire: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com:
> Michael Gould
> > Subject: Re: [gislist] GIS Certification?
> >
> > Following what MG states, there is an old
> business adage WRT
> > hiring - Attitude over aptitude. Certification
> does not
> > measure attitude.
> >
> > Carl
> >
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