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Subject: FW: [gislist] GIS software/hardware donations for 3rd World
Date:  01/28/2005 11:50:02 AM
From:  Analisa Gunnell





Hello GIS community,=20

I find this topic to be fascinating. As a US ESRI user that works for
a non-profit focused on conservation issues and meeting the triple E
bottom line, we would not be able to do all the GIS work that we do
without products that were given to us by ESRI. This was done because
of our status as a non-profit and our focus on conservation efforts. It
was my understanding that this held true for international organizations
with similar goals. It is important to understand that while ESRI
obviously has a serious hold on the GIS market, at the very least they
are conscientious enough to allow organizations that could not otherwise
afford their software opportunities to use it. While I have my
complaints (as do we all) I respect this in the organization. How many
corporate entities can say the same?

Anyway, that's my 2 cents before my morning coffee.

Hope all are well!

Analisa Noel Gunnell
Chief Cartographer/GIS Analyst
Ecotrust=20
721 NW Ninth Avenue, Suite 200=20
Portland, Oregon 97209=20
503.467.0750
analisa@ecotrust.org=20

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-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Yetman
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 7:08 AM
To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: Re: [gislist] GIS software/hardware donations for 3rd World

Hi,

ESRI heavily discounts educational sales in the US as well (I'm not sure
of the precise percentage). Besides, I think that ESRI sales outside of
the US are by licensed resellers rather than from Redlands, so I don't
know how much control ESRI US has over prices in other countries. The
complaints that I've heard of talking to people have been that the ESRI
software is much more expensive outside of the US.

Greg

Note: this is my opinion, not that of my employer.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gregory Yetman
Center for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN)
Columbia University
URL: http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/
e-mail: gyetman (at) ciesin.columbia.edu
----------------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Pat Waggaman wrote:

> 90% is one serious discount, submerged invisibly behind the flaming
banner
> of "educational technology transfer."
>
> Sounds like an interesting variant on "dumping" to me e.g. the sale in
> offshore markets of items, defined as "underpriced" because the
"dumping
> market price" does not reflect the pricing predominant in the
producers
> domestic market.
>
> Only thing is that the usual complaint bringers to the WTO do not
exist,
> they would be ESRI competitors in India. The aggrieved parties are
those
> who pay full price in the US to subsidize their offshore competition.
>
> As - happily - not an ESRI shop, doesn't make any difference to me:
but it
> would seem appropriate for influential ESRI customers to raise holy
hell:
> "first ESRI exacts extraordinary rents from customers - me - then uses
that
> surplus to subsidize the competition."
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pat Waggaman
>
> At 09:29 28-01-2005, gisisndia wrote:
> >pl let me know whom to contact for getting ESRI products at 10%. Who
are
> >eligible to get at such price.
> >Thanks
> >
> >Kiran
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: GISex* Technologies <gisex@dacafe.com>
> >To: <hvp@regiononepdc.org>
> >Cc: <gislist@lists.geocomm.com>
> >Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 11:49 AM
> >Subject: Re: [gislist] GIS software/hardware donations for 3rd World
> >
> >
> > > In India so many such GIS schools are establsihed with the help of
ESRI
> > > they give the software at 10% price, what else? and all such
schools are
> > > producing talents.
> > > --
> > > Krishan Sharma, Ph.D. (USA)
> > > www.gisextechnologies.com
> > > info@gisextechnologies.com
> > > Mobile: 933-300-8409 & 0987-0129-4791
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This discussion can easily be broadened to also include the
rural parts
> >of
> > > > developED nations, like the US Appalachian belt, aptly described
in "I
> >Am
> > > > a Soldier, Too" as "opportunity-deficit" areas. Such
economically
> > > > distressed regions offer neither cheap skilled labor nor
attractive
> > > > infrastructure, an

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