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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] GIS software/hardware donations for 3rd World |
| Date: |
01/28/2005 12:50:01 PM |
| From: |
Anthony Quartararo |
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Analisa,
You very correct, and further make Pat Waggaman's case. ESRI has a policy
of supporting a global conservation effort its resources, and long-ago
recognized that in order to do so, sooner rather than later, it must "give"
the software and related training & support to just about anyone willing
enough to undertake the difficult task of Conservation. That being said,
and however honorable that may be, ESRI must get revenues from somewhere to
meet its internal financial goals AND still have sufficient surplus (as a
strategic decision) to "support" that global conservation effort at a "near
free" discount. If it were a political policy, dare I suggest what that
sounds like ? Another strategic approach could be, lowering the price for
all products so that the cost of a license is based on a truly global market
[ie. ALL potential and current users of GIS technology software], and then
offer no significant discount. In this scenario, coupled with ESRIs
significant brand strength and existing global network of people/partners,
everyone would benefit more completely. The uptake of the technology would
be, shall I say, "energetic" for the foreseeable future. Not to mention a
more level and globalized competitive playing field, and it would force ESRI
to cherish and attend to each and every licensee. This unfortunately is not
likely to happen in our professional careers, then again, truth is stranger
than fiction. Cheers.
Anthony
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Analisa Gunnell
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:46 PM
To: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
Cc: gislist@lists.geocomm.com
Subject: FW: [gislist] GIS software/hardware donations for 3rd World
Hello GIS community,
I find this topic to be fascinating. As a US ESRI user that works for
a non-profit focused on conservation issues and meeting the triple E bottom
line, we would not be able to do all the GIS work that we do without
products that were given to us by ESRI. This was done because of our status
as a non-profit and our focus on conservation efforts. It was my
understanding that this held true for international organizations with
similar goals. It is important to understand that while ESRI obviously has
a serious hold on the GIS market, at the very least they are conscientious
enough to allow organizations that could not otherwise afford their software
opportunities to use it. While I have my complaints (as do we all) I
respect this in the organization. How many corporate entities can say the
same?
Anyway, that's my 2 cents before my morning coffee.
Hope all are well!
Analisa Noel Gunnell
Chief Cartographer/GIS Analyst
Ecotrust
721 NW Ninth Avenue, Suite 200
Portland, Oregon 97209
503.467.0750
analisa@ecotrust.org
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From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Yetman
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 7:08 AM
To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: Re: [gislist] GIS software/hardware donations for 3rd World
Hi,
ESRI heavily discounts educational sales in the US as well (I'm not sure of
the precise percentage). Besides, I think that ESRI sales outside of the US
are by licensed resellers rather than from Redlands, so I don't know how
much control ESRI US has over prices in other countries. The complaints that
I've heard of talking to people have been that the ESRI software is much
more expensive outside of the US.
Greg
Note: this is my opinion, not that of my employer.
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Gregory Yetman
Center for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN) Columbia
University
URL: http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/
e-mail: gyetman (at) ciesin.columbia.edu
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Pat Waggaman wrote:
> 90% is one serious discount, submerged invisibly behind the flaming
banner
> of "educational technology transfer."
>
> Sounds like an interesting variant on "dumping" to me e.g. the sale in
> offshore markets of items, defined as "underpriced" because the
"dumping
> market price" does not reflect the pricing predominant in the
producers
> domestic market.
>
> Only thing is that the usual complaint bringers to the WTO do not
exist,
> they would be ESRI competitors in India. The aggrieved parties are
those
> who pay full price in the U
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