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| Subject: | Re: FW: [gislist] GIS software/hardware donations for 3rd World |
| Date: |
01/30/2005 05:55:02 PM |
| From: |
Harsh Prakash |
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Not to belabor the point made by Margaret, Analisa and others, but experience does suggest that such software/hardware donations/discounts/grants combined with opensource products, hardware clustering and smart volunteering together form a very effective solution for success in "deficit" areas. The ESRI-NACO Technology Grant, for one, has been very helpful for some of our distressed counties.
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Margaret Gooding <mgooding@adelphia.net>
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:56:45 -0800
Amen. I am tired of all you people knocking ESRI. Without their gift of
software and hardware to our local community college (they set up a
computer lab with 25 machines and software back in '97), we would not have
been able to have a GIS certificate program which provided a much needed
boost to the local economy and has provided a marketable skill to quite a
number of people (I was among that first group). The community college is
about 8 miles from ESRI's Redlands headquarters. They have also provided,
at their cost, software and staff to the local emergency service agencies
for the terrible fires we had in the fall of '93, just to name a couple
of things among a number of other public minded acts (9/11). In a time
when you hear so much about corporate greed and skullduggery - Enron, Tyco
and so very many others, it is refreshing to see a company giving something
back.
Margaret Gooding
At 09:45 AM 1/28/2005, Analisa Gunnell wrote:
>Hello GIS community,
>
>I find this topic to be fascinating. As a US ESRI user that works for
>a non-profit focused on conservation issues and meeting the triple E
>bottom line, we would not be able to do all the GIS work that we do
>without products that were given to us by ESRI. This was done because
>of our status as a non-profit and our focus on conservation efforts. It
>was my understanding that this held true for international organizations
>with similar goals. It is important to understand that while ESRI
>obviously has a serious hold on the GIS market, at the very least they
>are conscientious enough to allow organizations that could not otherwise
>afford their software opportunities to use it. While I have my
>complaints (as do we all) I respect this in the organization. How many
>corporate entities can say the same?
>
>Anyway, that's my 2 cents before my morning coffee.
>
>Hope all are well!
>
>Analisa Noel Gunnell
>Chief Cartographer/GIS Analyst
>Ecotrust
>721 NW Ninth Avenue, Suite 200
>Portland, Oregon 97209
>503.467.0750
>analisa@ecotrust.org
>
>SALMON NATION
>CONSERVATION ECONOMY
>ECOLOGY-ECONOMY-EQUITY
>www.ecotrust.org
>www.salmonnation.org
>www.vividpicture.net
>www.inforain.org
>www.tidepool.org
>
> "Every Animal Knows More than You Do."
>Nez Perce Tribe
> ><((('> ><((('> ><((('>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
>[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Yetman
>Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 7:08 AM
>To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
>Subject: Re: [gislist] GIS software/hardware donations for 3rd World
>
>Hi,
>
>ESRI heavily discounts educational sales in the US as well (I'm not sure
>of the precise percentage). Besides, I think that ESRI sales outside of
>the US are by licensed resellers rather than from Redlands, so I don't
>know how much control ESRI US has over prices in other countries. The
>complaints that I've heard of talking to people have been that the ESRI
>software is much more expensive outside of the US.
>
>Greg
>
>Note: this is my opinion, not that of my employer.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------->Gregory Yetman
>Center for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN)
>Columbia University
>URL: http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/
>e-mail: gyetman (at) ciesin.columbia.edu
>--------------------------------------------------------------->
>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Pat Waggaman wrote:
>
> > 90% is one serious discount, submerged invisibly behind the flaming
>banner
> > of "educational technology transfer."
> >
> > Sounds like an interesting variant on "dumping" to me e.g. the sale in
> > offshore markets of items, defined as "underpriced" because the
>"dumping
> > market price" does not reflect the pricing predominant in the
>producers
> > domestic market.
> >
> > Only thing is that the usual complaint bringers to the WTO do not
>exist,
> > they would be ESRI competitors in India. The ag
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