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| Subject: | Re: FW: [gislist] GIS software/hardware donations for 3rd World |
| Date: |
01/31/2005 04:30:00 AM |
| From: |
Michael Gould |
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Do we knock Microsoft? They sell us expensive buggy software, yet their=20
chief donates billions to Aids and other health and education causes every=
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year. Lots of orgs get MSFT software free....but which yes and which no?=20
Why not all Africa? It's not simple, so I think you need to allow=20
skepticism...which is healthy in free and open society.
M Gould
At 05:56 30/01/2005, Margaret Gooding wrote:
>Amen. I am tired of all you people knocking ESRI. Without their gift of=20
>software and hardware to our local community college (they set up a=20
>computer lab with 25 machines and software back in '97), we would not have=
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>been able to have a GIS certificate program which provided a much needed=20
>boost to the local economy and has provided a marketable skill to quite a=
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>number of people (I was among that first group). The community college is=
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>about 8 miles from ESRI's Redlands headquarters. They have also provided,=
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>at their cost, software and staff to the local emergency service agencies=
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>for the terrible fires we had in the fall of '93, just to name a couple=20
>of things among a number of other public minded acts (9/11). In a time=20
>when you hear so much about corporate greed and skullduggery - Enron, Tyco=
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>and so very many others, it is refreshing to see a company giving=20
>something back.
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>Margaret Gooding
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>At 09:45 AM 1/28/2005, Analisa Gunnell wrote:
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>>Hello GIS community,
>>
>>I find this topic to be fascinating. As a US ESRI user that works for
>>a non-profit focused on conservation issues and meeting the triple E
>>bottom line, we would not be able to do all the GIS work that we do
>>without products that were given to us by ESRI. This was done because
>>of our status as a non-profit and our focus on conservation efforts. It
>>was my understanding that this held true for international organizations
>>with similar goals. It is important to understand that while ESRI
>>obviously has a serious hold on the GIS market, at the very least they
>>are conscientious enough to allow organizations that could not otherwise
>>afford their software opportunities to use it. While I have my
>>complaints (as do we all) I respect this in the organization. How many
>>corporate entities can say the same?
>>
>>Anyway, that's my 2 cents before my morning coffee.
>>
>>Hope all are well!
>>
>>Analisa Noel Gunnell
>>Chief Cartographer/GIS Analyst
>>Ecotrust
>>721 NW Ninth Avenue, Suite 200
>>Portland, Oregon 97209
>>503.467.0750
>>analisa@ecotrust.org
>>
>>SALMON NATION
>>CONSERVATION ECONOMY
>>ECOLOGY-ECONOMY-EQUITY
>>www.ecotrust.org
>>www.salmonnation.org
>>www.vividpicture.net
>>www.inforain.org
>>www.tidepool.org
>>
>> "Every Animal Knows More than You Do."
>>Nez Perce Tribe
>> ><((('> ><((('> ><((('>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
>>[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Yetman
>>Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 7:08 AM
>>To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
>>Subject: Re: [gislist] GIS software/hardware donations for 3rd World
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>ESRI heavily discounts educational sales in the US as well (I'm not sure
>>of the precise percentage). Besides, I think that ESRI sales outside of
>>the US are by licensed resellers rather than from Redlands, so I don't
>>know how much control ESRI US has over prices in other countries. The
>>complaints that I've heard of talking to people have been that the ESRI
>>software is much more expensive outside of the US.
>>
>>Greg
>>
>>Note: this is my opinion, not that of my employer.
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Gregory Yetman
>>Center for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN)
>>Columbia University
>>URL: http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu/
>>e-mail: gyetman (at) ciesin.columbia.edu
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Pat Waggaman wrote:
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>> > 90% is one serious discount, submerged invisibly behind the flaming
>>banner
>> > of "educational technology transfer."
>> >
>> > Sounds like an interesting variant on "dumping" to me e.g. the sale in
>> > offshore markets of items, defined as "underpriced" because the
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