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| Subject: | [gislist] RE: RE: GIS education/degree |
| Date: |
02/14/2005 01:35:02 PM |
| From: |
Michael Law |
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I am a university Urban geography and GIS graduate from the University of
Toronto and also a graduate of the GIS cartographic specialist program at
Sir Sandford Fleming. I think GIS education from an institution is
important. Not saying that learning GIS on your own can't get you a career,
but formal education is important. I think many employers are looking for
both a mix of education and experience. When you first start out, you may
not have the greatest job, but build on that experience and you can put
yourself in some good positions.
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:58:06 -0000
From: "Tim Smith" <tsmith@micromill.com>
Subject: RE: [gislist] RE: GIS education/degree
To: "Barb Wallner" <wallnebj@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>,
<gislist@lists.thinkburst.com>
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I am a university graduate, majoring in 'Software Engineering with Image
and Multimedia Systems'.
I was taken on by my current employer in the UK for the position of 'GIS
Software Engineer'. I had absolutely no GIS experience when I applied
for my position. Strangely, the advert did not allude to the nature of
the position (I found out when I got the job), they were just looking
for a science or engineering graduate with some software experience,
thus not giving an experienced non-graduate GIS person a chance.
I guess this supports the notion that some employers will first vet
applicants based purely on their education.
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[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Barb Wallner
Sent: 11 February 2005 17:18
To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: [gislist] RE: GIS education/degree
I'm sure there are enough people on this listserv who are working in
some compacity in GIS without a university degree, and who do not have
the time or the money to pursue a 4-year degree to move into the
graduate program were it seems that universities like to offer it. I'm
sure there are 2 reasons for this. The "official" reason is to have
students who already have a discipline "on paper". The "unofficial"
reason is that GIS can be learned without a 4-year degree but
universities need the revenue. If you have passion in the areas of
mapping, earth science, environmental issues, geography, you are
already, I'm sure, well-versed in your passion, and can do just as well
as someone with a "paper degree".
I would like to see some defense, one way or another, on this discussion
from university people.
Sincerely,
Barb
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:20:32 -0500
From: "Anthony Quartararo" <ajq3@spatialnetworks.com>
Subject: RE: [gislist] RE: GIS education/degree
To: <gislist@lists.thinkburst.com>
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Barb,
Universities are for-profit organizations, that should not come as a
surprise. Regardless of legal tax standings, the de facto reality is that
they increasingly get less per student from Fed/State/Local government, and
so they turn to tuition increases, sports sponsorships, and other creative,
if not u
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