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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] google maps |
| Date: |
02/17/2005 01:10:01 PM |
| From: |
Michael Gould |
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Yes, I agree it's apples and oranges. OGC does not build web mapping, it=20
develops interface specifications for constructing open heterogeneous=20
information systems. Google doesn't have that, it has a specific=20
application that connects to fixed sources and to which people do NOT=20
connect to from other clients. And as Sonny mentioned (more or less) if you=
=20
DO want to connect to it from other clients (as several people have already=
=20
hacked) then one could wrap google maps as a wms source.
So no problem. Both (google maps and OGC) are doing fine in their=20
respective niches.
M Gould
At 19:25 17/02/2005, Anthony Quartararo wrote:
> Frank,
>
>No baiting going on here, honest. I don't disagree with your points, but I
>think that outta the box, in such a rapid deployment of this technology for
>Google, while OGCers labor on for a loooooooooooong time, I think it is=
only
>a matter of time before Google steps into other "more complex" arenas, and
>perhaps with Keyhole's tools, may hasten that step, and then it will be=
that
>much close to making OGC irrelevant [or perhaps irrelevant] ? I mean, isnt
>the OGC imperative strictly limited to the internet domain ? If Google (or
>others) blows past OGC efforts (which they are prone to do in other areas=
of
>technology), then what ? Another lister pointed out quite rightly that
>"spatial is no longer special", and as much as that burns me up as a
>geographer, it is a fast approaching reality for everyone else in the world
>EXCEPT the GIS industry. I've abandoned all previous attempts at the
>various ways of explaining to non-GIS peeps what I do, and simply point=
them
>to the "cool" and somewhat sexy use of the technology of Keyhole on CNN,
>MSNBC, Fox, etc. and then just quip that we do the nuts and bolts work to
>make that happen, and it seems to make much more sense than any elevator
>pitch in the past. The point being, all things being equal, technology,
>just like everything else has an affinity for the path of least resistance.
>Complex spatial data handling and processing [via google] or anyone else in
>this category of technology may be successful, much more so, BECAUSE they
>are very much outside the industry. We shall see I suppose, but Google
>alone is worth more than the entire GIS industry put together, and they
>didn't just stumble upon that after decades of work.
>
>Anthony
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frank Warmerdam [mailto:fwarmerdam@gmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:54 PM
>To: Anthony Quartararo
>Cc: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
>Subject: Re: [gislist] google maps
>
>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:33:00 -0500, Anthony Quartararo
><ajq3@spatialnetworks.com> wrote:
> > I am wondering and musing how this implementation of technology, a
> > seemingly grand-slam by a non-GIS oriented organization, will impact
> > and affect the OGC [and all organizations who put so much effort and
> > $$ into that], because it appears on the surface at least, that
> > Google, if not Microsoft, and others have essentially bypassed the OGC
> > imperatives and done it in grand style and with reasonable success.
>
>Anthony,
>
>I am impressed by the job that Google has done on it's mapping application,
>but it is not fundamentally different than mapquest or a variety of other
>consumer mapping web applications.
>
>The web mapping (WMS) work at OGC is aimed at achieving a degree of
>interoperability that allows layers of data from a variety of different=
back
>end servers to be used in a variety of kinds of clients. That is certainly
>not achieved by Google, nor was it their intention.
>
>It seems like an apple and oranges comparison to me. They are working to
>achieve different things.
>
>One lesson I would tend to take away from this is that there is a large=
part
>of the market that is adequately served by a one-vendor
>and inflexible solution like google maps. I think more complex
>technology and interoperability are useful in more sophisticated
>applications and uses.
>
>Damn, and I promised myself last year I wouldn't rise to your OGC-baiting
>again.
>
>Best regards,
>--
>---------------------------------------+--------------------------------
>---------------------------------------+------
>I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam,
>warmerdam@pobox.com
>light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
>and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent
>
>
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