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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] google maps |
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02/17/2005 01:10:02 PM |
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Frank also mentioned the fact that a "non GIS association" is making headlines with GIS. Well isn't that the point of the technology. GIS is after all a tool that has been developed to be used by industry. Google, Yahoo!, Microsoft, Ask Jeeves etc... may not be traditial GIS companies but they are businesses leveraging geography and the capabilities enabled by GIS.
I think the fact that no-open solutions may be involved is secondary and not really of interest to the users. ITs likely more the case that ESRI and Telcontar don't want anyone else to get a piece of the pie! Should be fun to watch
glenn
Anthony Quartararo <ajq3@spatialnetworks.com> wrote:
Frank,
No baiting going on here, honest. I don't disagree with your points, but I
think that outta the box, in such a rapid deployment of this technology for
Google, while OGCers labor on for a loooooooooooong time, I think it is only
a matter of time before Google steps into other "more complex" arenas, and
perhaps with Keyhole's tools, may hasten that step, and then it will be that
much close to making OGC irrelevant [or perhaps irrelevant] ? I mean, isnt
the OGC imperative strictly limited to the internet domain ? If Google (or
others) blows past OGC efforts (which they are prone to do in other areas of
technology), then what ? Another lister pointed out quite rightly that
"spatial is no longer special", and as much as that burns me up as a
geographer, it is a fast approaching reality for everyone else in the world
EXCEPT the GIS industry. I've abandoned all previous attempts at the
various ways of explaining to non-GIS peeps what I do, and simply point them
to the "cool" and somewhat sexy use of the technology of Keyhole on CNN,
MSNBC, Fox, etc. and then just quip that we do the nuts and bolts work to
make that happen, and it seems to make much more sense than any elevator
pitch in the past. The point being, all things being equal, technology,
just like everything else has an affinity for the path of least resistance.
Complex spatial data handling and processing [via google] or anyone else in
this category of technology may be successful, much more so, BECAUSE they
are very much outside the industry. We shall see I suppose, but Google
alone is worth more than the entire GIS industry put together, and they
didn't just stumble upon that after decades of work.
Anthony
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Warmerdam [mailto:fwarmerdam@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:54 PM
To: Anthony Quartararo
Cc: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: Re: [gislist] google maps
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:33:00 -0500, Anthony Quartararo
wrote:
> I am wondering and musing how this implementation of technology, a
> seemingly grand-slam by a non-GIS oriented organization, will impact
> and affect the OGC [and all organizations who put so much effort and
> $$ into that], because it appears on the surface at least, that
> Google, if not Microsoft, and others have essentially bypassed the OGC
> imperatives and done it in grand style and with reasonable success.
Anthony,
I am impressed by the job that Google has done on it's mapping application,
but it is not fundamentally different than mapquest or a variety of other
consumer mapping web applications.
The web mapping (WMS) work at OGC is aimed at achieving a degree of
interoperability that allows layers of data from a variety of different back
end servers to be used in a variety of kinds of clients. That is certainly
not achieved by Google, nor was it their intention.
It seems like an apple and oranges comparison to me. They are working to
achieve different things.
One lesson I would tend to take away from this is that there is a large part
of the market that is adequately served by a one-vendor
and inflexible solution like google maps. I think more complex
technology and interoperability are useful in more sophisticated
applications and uses.
Damn, and I promised myself last year I wouldn't rise to your OGC-baiting
again.
Best regards,
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light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Programmer for Rent
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