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| Subject: | Re: [gislist] google maps |
| Date: |
02/17/2005 01:45:01 PM |
| From: |
Douglas F. Wunneburger |
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Anyone's maps aren't worth much without content. For example, Yahoo seeks
to integrate real-time traffic and incident information into their maps.
Where do they get data?
I would suggest that the efforts of OGC have at least promoted an
environment in which data come from independent groups like your local
department of transportation. In using open standards for posting data for
their own needs, such transportation departments provide data for other
users, like Yahoo and Google and ultimately their customers, that can be
quickly integrated into a myriad of applications. Such tag-on applications
potentially benefit the data providers as much as the users.
Following on with this scenario, imagine the utility of traffic data in the
event of a large scale evacuation. Sensors could be placed quickly to
measure real-time traffic volume on potential evacuation routes, their data
delivered through Internet connections to Yahoo and Google maps thence
integrated and recomposed to provide a means of load-balancing road usage
according to traffic volume and carrying capacity.
Such practices would be difficult without spatial data interoperability, and
there is potentially great economic benefit in shortening evacuation times.
doug wunneburger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gould" <gould@lsi.uji.es>
To: "Anthony Quartararo" <ajq3@spatialnetworks.com>: <warmerdam@pobox.com>
Cc: <gislist@lists.thinkburst.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: [gislist] google maps
> Yes, I agree it's apples and oranges. OGC does not build web mapping, it
> develops interface specifications for constructing open heterogeneous
> information systems. Google doesn't have that, it has a specific
> application that connects to fixed sources and to which people do NOT
> connect to from other clients. And as Sonny mentioned (more or less) if
you
> DO want to connect to it from other clients (as several people have
already
> hacked) then one could wrap google maps as a wms source.
>
> So no problem. Both (google maps and OGC) are doing fine in their
> respective niches.
>
> M Gould
>
>
>
> At 19:25 17/02/2005, Anthony Quartararo wrote:
> > Frank,
> >
> >No baiting going on here, honest. I don't disagree with your points, but
I
> >think that outta the box, in such a rapid deployment of this technology
for
> >Google, while OGCers labor on for a loooooooooooong time, I think it is
only
> >a matter of time before Google steps into other "more complex" arenas,
and
> >perhaps with Keyhole's tools, may hasten that step, and then it will be
that
> >much close to making OGC irrelevant [or perhaps irrelevant] ? I mean,
isnt
> >the OGC imperative strictly limited to the internet domain ? If Google
(or
> >others) blows past OGC efforts (which they are prone to do in other areas
of
> >technology), then what ? Another lister pointed out quite rightly that
> >"spatial is no longer special", and as much as that burns me up as a
> >geographer, it is a fast approaching reality for everyone else in the
world
> >EXCEPT the GIS industry. I've abandoned all previous attempts at the
> >various ways of explaining to non-GIS peeps what I do, and simply point
them
> >to the "cool" and somewhat sexy use of the technology of Keyhole on CNN,
> >MSNBC, Fox, etc. and then just quip that we do the nuts and bolts work to
> >make that happen, and it seems to make much more sense than any elevator
> >pitch in the past. The point being, all things being equal,
technology,
> >just like everything else has an affinity for the path of least
resistance.
> >Complex spatial data handling and processing [via google] or anyone else
in
> >this category of technology may be successful, much more so, BECAUSE they
> >are very much outside the industry. We shall see I suppose, but Google
> >alone is worth more than the entire GIS industry put together, and they
> >didn't just stumble upon that after decades of work.
> >
> >Anthony
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Frank Warmerdam [mailto:fwarmerdam@gmail.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:54 PM
> >To: Anthony Quartararo
> >Cc: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
> >Subject: Re: [gislist] google maps
> >
> >On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:33:00 -0500, Anthony Quartararo
> ><ajq3@spatialnetworks.com> wrote:
> > > I am wondering and musing how this implementation of technology, a
> > > seemingly grand-slam by a non-GIS oriented organization, will impact
> > > and affect the OGC [and all organizations who put so much effort and
> > > $$ int
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