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| Subject: | RE: [gislist] google maps |
| Date: |
02/27/2005 10:10:01 PM |
| From: |
Anthony Quartararo |
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Carl,
Does the internet really work all that well ? The original IP protocols, in
fact, the entire internet as we know it today was never ever meant to be
used in the way it is today. That's the basic reason why so much is wrong
with the internet, and no matter how many new IP protocols are written
(standards), it will not erase the fundamental fatal flaws in the original
intent and the co-opted de-facto use of the internet today. Meanwhile, the
internet community and all the international organizations you mention below
continue to press on, as if by virtue of effort and propaganda, the
fundamental problems will disappear altogether. The only way to truly solve
the problem is to start from scratch based on what we know now as the most
common global use of what we know as the internet.
performance metrics - I can go to any number of FREE websites where I can
verify and validate what my cable modem's download speed, FTP speed, and
other connection metrics. Is this not performance metrics that can be
easily compared against what I am being charged for, or perhaps for shopping
for other ISPs ? You avoid the issue by masking the request as improbable
because all these other internet standards organizations don't produce
metrics. Simply because they do not, does that mean they should not ?
Since OGC makes a lot of noise about itself, why is it not realistic to
expect public scrutiny of the purported benefits of implementing or
"consuming" services provided by OGC-sponsored technology, particularly
if/when those services and technological components may be required by some
over-the-top government contracting officer ? We all get performance metrics
on computers (GHz, RAM, HDD space, price, consumer digest ratings), copiers
(ppm? ), fax machines (ppm), cars (mph, 0-60, hp? ), appliances (minutes to
wash a load of clothes, dry them, etc., how much electricity per year to run
the appliance? ) What gets me is that the basic premise of your argument
AGAINST making performance metrics available to the list is that it is so
counter-intuitive and counter-productive to OGCs mission, isnt it ? I mean,
IF all that OGC technology really works so groovy together or even a single
component on its own, in a vacuum, why not tell the world about it and allow
others the opportunity to conduct identical, independent tests on their own.
In the absence of such transparency, I think that OGC efforts will largely
be viewed as suspect, if not thinly-veiled propaganda for the member
organizations.
My cell phone ? That proves my point. Ask anyone who has ever travelled
from the US to virtually anywhere else in the world and see if their phone
works. My Motorola MPX200 AT&T multi-band GSM phone was marketed as being
an international phone, so I bought one, brought it to China and bought a
local SIM card before I even got through passport control in Beijing. For 2
weeks my partners and I hammered the local carrier asking why my SIM card
which was fully paid for, would not work with the phone. Not until I
returned to the US did a call to AT&T resolve the issue: a) there was a
phone lock installed by the OEM to prevent this "interoperability" and b)
the "multiband" just didn't have enough multiples to it, so I was [and am]
SOL. I realize that "a" is more a political move than technological, but
lets not think that OGC and any other organizations are not fraught with
these same types of political shenanigans.
Honestly now, I have no hidden agenda, have no stake in anything that OGC
does or doesn't do, and certainly not so "well-off" that I sit idly by my PC
waiting for the opportunity to "stir the pot" as you have said regarding
OGC. It is something of considerable concern to me regarding the future of
this industry and fact that there seems to be so many lemmings running
around. I wish I could articulate my points of view with the same force and
simplicity as Dimitri can, and in case you missed it, the recent GIS Monitor
issue, he hits a few out of the park on OGC as well. Cheers.
Anthony
-----Original Message-----
From: creediii@mindspring.com [mailto:creediii@mindspring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:02 PM
To: Anthony Quartararo: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: RE: [gislist] google maps
So I guess the whole web services and service oriented architecture thrusts
are invalid because they are based on industry consensus based standards.
And the internet is based on agreement on hundreds of standards. You gonna
ask that community for performance statistics. Seems to work pretty well.
And your cell phone. No way it would work without standards and
interoperability. Oh yes, your car, your appliances, the computer you use to
write these emails. You gonna ask all these folks the same set of
performance questions you are asking of the OGC?? You gonna go ask W3C,
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