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| Subject: | Re: [gislist] Support for non-certified instructors to teach
GISclasses |
| Date: |
02/14/2007 02:05:00 PM |
| From: |
Tripp Corbin |
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Scott,
I don't know where you think you can get the materials for $70.00 per
student. That would not even cover the cost of the books from ESRI. Add
in the location, computers, software, projector, and other misc. cost
and it will be a lot more than $70.00 per student.
I think it is great you want to become an Authorized Instructor. There
are cost associated with that as well. There is a fee just to apply
which I think is about $100. It has been awhile since I did this so I am
not sure. Then you have to take a test and go through an interview.
Assuming you pass that then you have to pay another fee of $450.00 or so
to receive your final Authorization. After that you will need to
purchase training software and possibly a computer training lab if you
do not already have one. Lastly, ESRI does have a quota on the number of
students you must teach each year in order to maintain your
Authorization.
Not trying to talk you out of becoming an instructor. I love teaching
the classes and think it was one of the best things I ever did. But
there were a lot of cost I did not anticipate and wanted to make sure
did not face this as well. One thing you have to remember is that ESRI
is also competing with you for those training dollars and does not want
to make it to easy for you to charge significantly less than what they
do. It is just not in their financial best interest.
Tripp Corbin, MCP, CFM, GISP
Associate Vice President, GIS/Mapping
ESRI Authorized Instructor
Keck & Wood, Inc.
www.keckwood.com
(678) 417-4013
(678) 417-8785 fax
Keck & Wood, Inc offers instructor led and virtual training for ESRI's
ArcGIS & ArcView software.
Please visit www.keckwood.com for more information including a schedule
of upcoming classes.
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.geocomm.com] On Behalf Of Scott Madsen
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:49 PM
To: gislist@lists.geocomm.com
Subject: Re: [gislist] Support for non-certified instructors to teach
GISclasses
Listers,
In response to my post, a fellow lister made the offer to provide
training to our county for a reduced rate of $400 per student. That was
very kind of him to offer - and I do mean that earnestly.
However, $400/student X 20 students = $8000. I figure I can provide the
training for the cost of training materials only: $70/student X 20
students = $1400. That's $6,600 to pay someone for the cost of
instructing a 3-day, 20-hour course. That's $330/hour.
Am I making it any clearer why I want to teach this course myself?
I'm not arguing one way or another about whether or not that kind of
rate is justified. Maybe it is. I'm only making the point that most
local governments and small businesses can't afford it, even if it is
offered to them at a reduced rate. (By the way, in case anyone else is
doing the math: at the 'normal' $800/student fee rate, that's $660/hour
for the labor of instructing the course).
I wonder how many taxpayers would agree with me that, if I'm able to
teach the course myself, I had darn well better do so...
(By the way, I'm asking my commission for a raise and I'm getting
certified to be an ESRI instructor)!!!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: DeWayne Colombe [mailto:dcolombe@ncdcimaging.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:46 PM
To: 'Scott Madsen'
Subject: RE: [gislist] Support for non-certified instructors to teach
GIS classes
Scott,
I'm not sure what you consider low cost but my boss who is an authorized
instructor volunteered his services for $400 per student, we normally
charge $800. I grew up in Madison, SD and thought maybe we could help.
Let us know if you're interested.
DeWayne Colombe
Production Manager
NCDC Imaging & Mapping
Colorado Springs, CO 80906
719.579.9276
www.ncdcimaging.com
-----Original Message-----
From: gislist-bounces@lists.thinkburst.com
[mailto:gislist-bounces@lists.thinkburst.com] On Behalf Of Scott Madsen
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:13 AM
To: gislist@lists.thinkburst.com
Subject: [gislist] Support for non-certified instructors to teach GIS
classes
Listers,
I'm disappointed with ESRI's response (or lack thereof) to my request
for help in putting together a low-cost GIS training class for my
county. I'm curious to find out if any other GIS Coordinators or the
like have experienced similar frustration in this area. (Please excuse
the length of this post but I wan to make sure I explain the situation
properly).
The class I'm trying to put together will cover Beginner ArcGIS 9.2
instruction for at least 12, maybe as many as 20 county government folks
including commissioners, department heads and staff. We have a lot of
interest in GIS at our county, however, employee training budgets are
stretched far enough the way it is so we just can't afford to bring in a
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